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From: Isis (georgia18) DelphiPlus Member Icon2/8/10 4:42 AM 
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Tim Giago

February 8, 2010
http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ tim-giago/ challenger- to-rep-diane- w_b_452716. html

How many of you know that a U. S. Congresswoman from California has twice tried to terminate the federal status of the Cherokee Nation? It may be the first and only time such an event has occurred. Representative Diane Watson (D-CA) is trying to do just that.

In March 2006, the Cherokee Nation's Supreme Court ruled that the descendants of the Cherokee Freedmen (Black descendants of slaves) were unjustly kept for over 20 years from enrolling as citizens. They were allowed to register and to become enrolled citizens of the Cherokee Nation.

Principal Chief Chad "Corntassel" Smith called for an emergency election to amend the constitution. A petition for a vote to remove the Freedmen descendants was circulated and Chief Smith held an emergency election. As a result of the amendment's near unanimous approval the Freedmen descendants were removed from the Cherokee Nation tribal rolls.

"It's an Indian thing, we do not want non-Indians in the tribe, our Indian blood is what binds us together," said Jodie Fishinghawk, who helped lead the drive to expel the Freedmen.

She notes that nearly all Indian nations require their citizens to be able to document direct ancestors in the tribe. Standards vary from nation to nation, and most are more stringent than the Cherokee. Fishinghawk says a tribe's right to set conditions of citizenship is fundamental to its sovereignty.

"It's a democratic process, people are allowed to vote. That's what America is based on, that's what we use here in the Cherokee Nation."

In the door stepped Congresswoman Watson. An African American herself, Watson threatened the Cherokee Nation with termination and if not that, the withholding of funds vital to the Nation's very survival. She intimated that the increasing wealth of the Cherokee through their profitable gaming casinos has caused some tribal members to seek the removal of others in order to increase their own benefits. Yet, by applying this line of thinking to the Cherokee Nation, Rep. Watson is accused of overlooking the fact that so many Indian tribes in her home state, California, have become notorious in Indian Country for expelling former tribal members from their rolls. Indian country had never witnessed this mass removal of tribal members until the California tribes initiated so many actions within their ranks. The response to Rep. Watson in Oklahoma is, "Clean up your own backyard before trashing ours."

The rise of another African American politician in California's 33rd District to challenge Rep. Watson for her Congressional seat has delighted most Cherokee and many have thrown their full support behind him because he firmly supports the Cherokee Nation's legal right to remove the Freedmen from the tribal rolls.

His name is Felton Newell and he is running against Rep. Watson in November. Who is Newell. In 2006, Newell left his corporate law job to serve the people of his community as a prosecutor in the Los Angeles City Attorney's office. Felton has prosecuted 28 criminal misdemeanor cases to a jury verdict, including cases involving domestic violence, vandalism and criminal assault.

Newell also has forced lax property owners in the 33rd district to retake control of their properties from gang members and drug dealers who were using the buildings as bases for criminal activity. He currently serves as a neighborhood prosecutor in downtown Los Angeles. In this position, Felton meets with community, business and political leaders to identify the quality of life crimes affecting the citizens who work and live downtown, and develops strategies to reduce those crimes.

Chief Smith has found himself in the middle of the turmoil. He is a firm believer that every Indian nation has the right to identify and claim its own membership. He is angry at the threats Rep. Watson brought against the Cherokee Nation and he sees these threats as a precedent that could threaten all of Indian Country.

"We did not hold the election about the Freedmen to dispute the issue of race. We have thousands of Black men and women living as enrolled members of the Cherokee Nation, but they have proof of Indian blood and that's all this whole thing is about. We expect that our tribal members have Cherokee blood."

When John Lewis (D-GA), an African American, spent two days visiting the people of the Cherokee Nation he came away with his eyes wide open, according to Smith. "He saw things for himself and he heard and saw both sides of the issue that few people take the time to understand," Smith said.
At any rate, Newell believes he has a good shot at unseating the longtime Congresswoman Watson in this year's elections. He would like any Native American interested in this issue and in his ideas to go to: www.feltonnewell. com and see for themselves what he is all about.

The decision in the Freedmen v. Cherokee Nation will be announced shortly so stay tuned.

(Tim Giago, an Oglala Lakota, is the publisher of Native Sun News. He was the founder and first president of the Native American Journalists Association, the 1985 recipient of the H. L. Mencken Award, and a Nieman Fellow at Harvard with the Class of 1991. Giago was inducted into the South Dakota Newspaper Hall of Fame in 2008. He can be reached at editor@nsweekly. com)

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From: ctj20102/9/10 11:31 PM 
To: Isis (georgia18) DelphiPlus Member Icon unread  (2 of 9) 
 2591.2 in reply to 2591.1 

Ever seen a photo shoot of the CNO council members?

If you did or do:

It might lead you to wonder if they're 'indians' at all!

Each band and nation has their own unique histories...

I. e., in the case of the 'assimilated' mixed bloods etc., after generations of intermarriage with whites, etc., that did and does lead other indigenous folk to challenge their claims, too...

As for me:

My guessed at roots originate and remain east (not west) of the Big Muddy...

Otherwise (imo) the true Cherokees (west of the big muddy) remain among the Old Settlers and/or the UKB...

Creators help us all rise above and beyond those whose 'indianess' is simply a means to their ends...

FYI...

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From: Mike (stormstudio) DelphiPlus Member Icon2/10/10 12:32 AM 
To: ctj2010  (3 of 9) 
 2591.3 in reply to 2591.2 

Chuck - Flawed opinion. You're passing blanket judgement on a nation based on photos. Not wise.

UKB are, yes. Old Settlers heritage is strong present in CNO, also - 150 years later. I know, and not from news feeds.

You can't invalidate an American tribe's sovereignty by your ways, period. Any more than Watson thinks she can. Better believe it. Dis, and be dissed, sir.

 ' [A] tribe's right to set conditions of citizenship is fundamental to its sovereignty.'

That doesn't change.

 

 
From: ctj20102/10/10 12:23 PM 
To: Mike (stormstudio) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (4 of 9) 
 2591.4 in reply to 2591.3 

Good you're back...

But you're very wrong this time...

I've been in direct contact with all factions...

I've weighed the pros and cons...

Etc.

And as one indigenous acquaintance of mine once said:

"Nobody needs (or should want)to relegate their fates--via the present-- to whatever history etc. their forebears etc. had shared in the past..."

The Vanns--Ridges--Ross--Watie--etc. were either rich men and/or very much a bad reflection of their white southern counterparts, i. e., via their means/ways/etc. to make a living etc., up to and including the enslavement of people who had never taken up arms against them, as well as some were the worst sort of opportunists, when they should've minded their own business and not sided with either faction, during the white folks Civil War...

But of course they did:

And generations later we have to cope as well as deal with the consequences...

Flashforward and if the honoring of the treaties etc. was an issue and problem AIM itself felt and thought there was a need and a want to wage a struggle around-- then it works both ways...

We write and speak of white folks being unable or unwilling to keep their word with us:

That should be a given, when it comes to what our forebears gave to them, too...

FYI...

CTJ

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From: ctj20102/10/10 12:33 PM 
To: Mike (stormstudio) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (5 of 9) 
 2591.5 in reply to 2591.3 

I humbly advise and suggest you ask the person far more knowledgeable about all of this for his take too...

You've kinda sorta revealed your own respect for his judgement calls in the past...

And his name is David Cornsilk...

But what is my 'agenda':

The reuniting of the now farflung Cherokee People...

As another ole saying put it well:

"United we stand/divided we fall..."

Also I'd kinda sort be more concerned about Larry Echohawk's take on this subject, less worried about little ole me...

Oh, yeah:

Any executive appointee of the BIA does have more say so about it all than either of need or want to...

FYI...

CTJ

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From: Mike (stormstudio) DelphiPlus Member Icon2/10/10 1:21 PM 
To: ctj2010  (6 of 9) 
 2591.6 in reply to 2591.5 

That's right. Get your meandering out. Same as forever, Chuck.

I know you have issues, and why. BIAwhatever. Name-dropping this one that one, as though they personally lent you credence. Not good form at all.

But listen, again, if you can. You don't get to dictate policies, any more than the Cornsilks, or Watson. And I don't have time to hear it rehashed all over again. Do what you want, with whatever. No one else on this board seems to want to engage you, wonder why. Real life happens beyond your electric box. Go live it, sir.

I have to go to water now. And I don't mean to take the piss, verbally or otherwise. Suggest you do likewise. I won't be seeing any more of this from you, no matter how many rewrites, repeats or "..." you care to employ. You'll get the so-desired last word on it on this little corner of the big net, I won't even know about it. You're on your own.

 

 
From: ctj20102/10/10 2:00 PM 
To: Mike (stormstudio) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (7 of 9) 
 2591.7 in reply to 2591.6 

Whether I get or got my points across poorly or well, etc. nobody has their choice or right to present one sided viewpoints etc. about anybody or anything, then presume and assume nobody has their choice or right to dispute them...

My and the point:

It was and is the anti black rhetoric of the other side that did and does concern and worry me...

I. e., suchlike continues to make it us (nonblack) vs them (black), whereas the same white b. s. ad naseum pervades the one party (republicans) in conflict with the other (so called democrats), while the rest of us argue and bicker ad naseum in support of either, whereas we were or are merely considered a means to an end, by the movers and shakers of both...

This is a multiracial nation of people...

Pretending to be otherwise is why we tend to do nothing to resolve the issues and problems which continue to keep us divided...

United we must stand in a world of people who have their own issues and problems to cope and deal with as well...

FYI...

P. S.

If we did have credible and reliable leaders etc., all we would be doing is to air different opinions, etc., which too easily reveals the other reason this nation is a reflection of the crises we have to cope and deal with, as individuals and via our various peoples...

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From: ctj20102/10/10 2:17 PM 
To: Mike (stormstudio) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (8 of 9) 
 2591.8 in reply to 2591.6 


You continue to have a personal gripe about me?

You got issues and problems I don't!

LOL

Otherwise:

You and others daring to parrot Smith clique rhetoric about the Cherokee Freedmen Descendants--which is as one sided as any white neocon's rants about AFrican American democrat and President Obama?

Then your political naivete is showing...

I. e., most whites and/or non indians perception of 'being an an indian' (if they have one at all) is usually relegated to the 19th century, not the issues/problems/etc. such aformentioned folk have to cope and deal with, in the present one...

So please do write and speak to me about your alternatives to indian gangs and drug dealing on the so called rez, 2010:

Then you'll be up to date with who I am and I'm trying to be about too...

I don't claim to be a leader:

Maybe you need to become one...

At least try to be a better role model...

FYI...

Later...

Peace...

 

 
From: ctj20104/17/10 10:17 PM 
To: All  (9 of 9) 
 2591.9 in reply to 2591.8 

The issue and problem which continues to undermine anybody's attempt to bring closure to this Chad Smith vs. the Cherokee Freedmen Descendants conflict:

Some continue to presume and assume the Chad Smith clique is presenting an unbiased recounting of past and present events...

Nothing could be further from the truth!

And it isn't now retiring U. S. congressperson Diane Watson which threatens the ending of federal recognition of the so called Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma...

It's a guy named Echohawk:

He's the present BIA chief...

And I doubt that Marilyn Vann's on his phone call list...

FYI...

Later...

Peace...

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