bob>God wants ALL to come, calvinsim says only a very few can come.
Are you citing a direct quote or are you citing what you think they are saying?
bob>Calvinism says only those few who are predestined to be saved before they are born will be saved and nothing they do in this life can ever change that. We see that the majority of the world is not Christian, so the majority of mankind IS NOT predestined to be saved per calvinism and they have no chance to ever be saved no matter what they do in this life, they were predestined to hell, per calvinism. It's a lie, it's confusing it lead people away from God instead of to Him and it says God does not want ALL TO COME, just opposite of the bible!
bob>Calvinism says everyone CAN"T be saved, as one has to be predestined before they are born to be saved or not and NOTHING one does in this life can ever change their predestination. It has a fundamental flaw in that it does not know a few were predestined to SERVE, not to be saved.
Again, is that a direct quote from Calvinism or is that a summary or an assumption on their points that you have contention with, mainly with predestination? If you can cite a link to that "quote", please do.
bob>You doubt it, when the majority of the world is not Christian?
bob>Then you just debunked Calvinism, which is the right thing to do!
Cutting off from my quote is an example of not getting the whole point of my view which is why I have to wonder if you are doing the same with Calvinism. I can disprove several points in regards to T.U.L.I.P. but that is not saying I can disprove everything Calvinism presents. Some are of the truth, but some are not. You and I have to prove everything by the scripture. We can't ignore certain section of scripture because we do not like what He says because it does not align with our present beliefs.
bob>So, if you disagree with only one point of TULIP, it's all wrong! Predestination is of a very few people to SERVE not to be saved...
It's like this, taking a verse like Jesus testifying to the Father as being "My God.." from which some attributed that to mean that Jesus is not God is shortsighted. We can find Jesus saying He is God as the God men had seen in the O.T. before Jesus became incarnated as written about by Moses in John 5:39-40 & 46-47 and He referring to having met Abraham in His day in John 8:56-59 for which He almost got stoned by the Jews for saying that He was that Lord, is how we are to apply that scripture earlier towards the truth that Jesus is referring to His higher authority for why He is called Father and thus is "My God, but that in no way negates His own deity at all. Indeed, when asked by the high priest if He was the Son of the living God, hence God, that was why He was crucified for He confirmed that truth and it was why they had perceived Him as committing blasphemy. Matthew 26:63-65
Anyway.. I believe the whole thing of our conversation is hinged on the subject of free will.
bob>Freewill is all thru the bible, I have it, the says "choose God" that means you have a freewill choice to make, you can go either way to choose or reject, it's our freewill call, right?
So do entertain the possibility that because of the gap theory in regards to creation week, you are not seeing His words in regards to free will. So hopefully, we can address that topic in the next post to keep this one short rather than a lengthy novel for you to read.