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From: Tali18788/28/99 6:43 PM 
To: All  (1 of 60) 
 54.1 
Hi Everyone. I am Tali1878 in my search for ggrandmother I ran across Black Indians.I will fill very proud if I am truly a part of this group.Some of the people
say my ggrand was a full-blooded cherokee-some say half? I ve seen her and her family listed under cherokee freedmen and cherokee.So my search continues.However I must say that there was sadness in my heart,When I found out about(how indians had slaves) I never knew until I started my family
research.Which brings us to the subject of the Buffalo Soldier.How did they get
their name and from who. What war? Where was the war? Why was it a war?
Tali1878.
 
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From: Guest8/28/99 10:40 PM 
To: Tali1878  (2 of 60) 
 54.2 in reply to 54.1 
Hi Tali1878,
In your post you mentioned Indian slave owners. I was sad to read in a black geneology book that many tribes were very anti-black. The Cherokees, Choctaw, and Chickasaw among the worst offenders with regard to this prejudice.

It is sad to hear this since Indians and slaves were basically in the same boat. Even today we are facing very similar problems.

I hope attitudes have changed a bit.

Shelby

 

 
From: IvySpring8/30/99 3:14 AM 
To: Tali1878  (3 of 60) 
 54.3 in reply to 54.1 
Hi Tali,
Like you, I have conflicting feelings about what has happened in History in terms of the issue of race-mixing between my native and African ancestors. For example, both my paternal great grandfather and my paternal grandfather were descendants of Chickasaw people it appears. However, let me also say that although there were instances of forced unions between slaves (mostly African female slaves) and white and Indian men, there were quite a few voluntary relationships which developed because of slavery and the fact that there were many Indians enslaved right alongside Africans. This is a little known fact by many.
These peoples established their own groups, clans, and societies. Because many Indians were targets of racial violence and oppression, many were actually safest in mixed environments or in communities were they could marry other people of color. In fact, it was illegal, for a time, to be Indian.
Now, as far as where the Buffalo Soldiers are concerned, I feel that they were not necessarily heroes. If so then for whom? Were'nt they actually pawns used to gain the U.S for a group of people who had previously enslaved them, disenfranchised them, and established laws (Jim Crow)to keep them in their place. Did not they actually go in before the U.S army to attack innocent women, children to side with a racist and supremacist military?
Now that I have said that, I'd also like to say that I have heard that the name "Buffalo Soldier" was given by Plains Indian people(?) Whatever the case, I'm not happy that the Buffalo Soldiers have been installed as national and folk heroes when what they did was to bring about genocide in another people of color group. Peace, IvySpring.
Edited 9/22/99 4:17:01 PM ET by IVYSPRING
 

 
From: Tali18788/30/99 7:47 PM 
To: Guest  (4 of 60) 
 54.4 in reply to 54.2 
Hi Shelby 45 --I'ts good to know that there are other people that fill like I do
those things happen in all races. Tali1878. (I dont have a clue about the buffalo
soldiers.
 

 
From: Tali18788/30/99 8:36 PM 
To: IvySpring  (5 of 60) 
 54.5 in reply to 54.3 
Hi Ivyspring Your posts are like a breath of fresh air. I have been reading a few,
from past things. The things people go through because of race/religion. I don't
know much about the buffalo soldiers,My friend went to Fort Leavenworth.She sent me a card with a picture of the statue of the Buffalo soldier on it.It says the Cheyenne warriors named them.Was it because of their hair? I don't know how
I fill about them being honored, yet I think they were just pawns,their lives did
not matter.But as usual they did better than they were expected to.For this I honor them.For example My White friend and I sent off for military records from
NARA ,She received hers 2 months later.I have not received mine yet(it was12/98) For this I honor them.There was so much left out of the history
books.For this I honor them. To let my children know that there was a black man, in every war.fighting for thngs and people he had no control of.For this I
honor them. In a war innocent people always die,always women,children and
we are not the ones that start them. Tali1878 I am out of here.
 

 
From: IvySpring8/30/99 9:23 PM 
To: Tali1878  (6 of 60) 
 54.6 in reply to 54.5 
Hi Tali,
I 'd like to agree with you about the fact that war is not fair--it is the devil's game. However, if we all honestly evaluate these crises, people of color are often used against each other to perpetuate genocide. For example, let's look at what happened in the Indian wars. Tribes were pitted against each other in an all out, knock down, drag out fight. And why was this done? So that Euro-Americans could have more land. In fact, there's only one word which amply describes why whites westward encroachment into native lands occurred in the first place---GREED!
It is an interesting aspect of world military history that people of color have been continually used against one another thereby to ensure separation, disunity, and segregated socities. Couple this with a sense of so-called loyalty to a racist country under the guise of nationalism/patriotism and you are certain to have mistrust and anti-minority sentiments develope among people of color. The Vietnam war is an excellent example of this.
But back to the Buffalo Soldiers, as stated before, I feel that we not only are sanctioning the policies and actions of a racist country when we pay unnecessary tribute to them, but we are also perpetuating the notion (albeit not out of malice) the notion that the only good Indian is a dead Indian. In other words, we can actually ignorantly strengthen and reinforce Euro-introduced racism.
Lastly, it may have been the Cheyenne who passed that name on to them. I only knew that it may have been
Plains Indians (which the Cheyenne are) who first coined that namke. And yes, I think it may have been in reference to their hair which was similiar to buffalo hide. IvySpring
 

 
From: Lone Wolf (RAYMOND17)8/31/99 5:19 PM 
To: IvySpring  (7 of 60) 
 54.7 in reply to 54.3 
Siyo! Ivyspring;
While I can understand with what you are saying and can agree that both the Blackman & the Redman
were used by the whiteman & pitted against each other. I disagree with you that they weren't heroes in their own right.
First of all, The Buffalo Soldiers weren't organized until after the Civil war, that I know of. second of all. They were doing what they had to do to survive, Just as Indians who scouted for the U.S. Army and traced down Indians some of their own tribe,as Geronimo's cousin,for one example, were doing what they had to do to survive.
There were Indians who left the Reservations and assimilated with non-Indians to survive,Just as Indians that stayed on reservations were doing what they did to survive.
The Buffalo Soldier's fought Indians ,not out of any hatred or greed as the whites did. but as a job. They were in the Army. Indians soldiers were in the Army also did the same thing. History also shows that the Buffalos soldiers also guarded the Indians in their safe keeping that they were escorting.
You are talking about a relatively short period of time that the Buffalo Soldiers were used in the west.
There is good & evil in everything Certainly Blacks are not proud (especially we Blacks of Indian blood) of the Buffalo Soldiers figthing our Indian relatives,
Nor are we proud(Especially us Indians of Black blood) of the Indians who killed our black people & who were slaves holders or even some Blacks who might have been slaveholders.
Being of Black & Indian blood ,perhaps it is more easy for me to give both sides their do. Both sides were right and both sides were wrong at a certain time period in life.
It would be great ,if we could romaticise and glorify both as fighting together as in the case, of the Black Seminoles and others.But life does not always work that way.nor does it now with all the racism that prevails in & out of Indian country,Now as it did back then. Hopefully, One day there will be an understanding and acceptance and people will practice and live brotherhood,not just as some pretty words spoken in ceromonies but live them
We have lost most of the knowledge of our ancestors and have forgotten who we are.
Some of our Elders who were suppose to teach us also have forgotten,and/or we have chose to ignore their teachings and adopt the beliefs of a culture contrary to ours.
so the cycle repeats itself and we give misinformation to our children, We must relearn our history and true meaning for being.We must stop the negative energy and replace it with positive energy.
Peace
Lone Wolf
 

 
From: IvySpring9/1/99 2:02 AM 
To: Lone Wolf (RAYMOND17)  (8 of 60) 
 54.8 in reply to 54.7 
Hi Lonewolf,
And thanks for responding to my reply about the Buffalo Soldiers. I did agree with some of the things you said, however, I just want to be clear about what I mean as far as "HONORING" them. Like other famous and infamous blacks in American history, they should be acknowleged, but not honored.
To honor someone is to bestow gracious goodwill on that inividual for some noble, and uplifting deed. We honor our great-grandparents, grandparents, parents, etc, because of the love and kindness and care which they have given us all our lives and because they are our forebears. We pay respect to them, even homage because that is the way to acknowlege their love and care as well as our ancestry.
In my opinion, the Buffalo Soldiers, and let me also add African slave traders, Indian tribes who partook of chattel slavery, or Indian scouts who deserted their ranks, do not deserve that type of honor. They do deserve notice and acknowlegement, however. Moreover, I think that acknowledging individuals in our collective histories is what we should do to educate ourselves and not to repeat the same tragic mistakes in history.
We should ALL ask ourselves this question: Will we in this day and age, sell out against our native/indigenous/tribal or/person of color because we felt we needed to survive? I don't think so. And let's remember that the reason prejudice among people of color exists ( native people too) is because we have allowed ourselves to imbibe the racism of the dominant culture. IvySpring
 

 
From: triancest9/3/99 1:01 PM 
To: IvySpring  (9 of 60) 
 54.9 in reply to 54.8 
Osiyo to all,

The white man has been very clever in the past and even today. He has erased alot of important history about our selves ( whether you are Black, Native or both as I am).If you erase a persons or peoples history they do not exist. If you divide the people you can conquer the people. The relationships between Africans and Native Americans were strong, there was similarities in their beliefs. And when you find a common belief among people they then start to get close and work together, play together have children together and then become STRONG TOGETHER. And that was the White mans greatest fear. We were becoming to strong together. So as always they resorted to the divide and conquer solution . Which worked. The Buffalo soldiers where put there, to do what they did the Native Americans, to help break that trust and bond. There were Native slaveowners to do the same . Both Nations wanted to prove that they were men and just as good as the white man. And it worked. But not for long the ancestors will have their way our people struggled to hard to be forgotten. And now since there are people now embracing both of their ancestors DO NOT LET THEM DIVIDE AND CONQUER US AGAIN!!!!! And yes the buffalo soldiers got their name because of their hair. May the creator bestow many blessings upon you and yours.
Carolyn ( ka quo li ni )

 

 
From: IvySpring9/4/99 1:50 AM 
To: triancest  (10 of 60) 
 54.10 in reply to 54.9 
Hi Carolyn,
And thanks for you words of support for what we were trying to express. I agree with you wholeheartedly that we MUST NOT ALLOW what has happened in the past to happen again. Because look at how long it has taken for us( Black Indians)to accept ourselves and to at least have some exposure of who we are. This is all because we have been systematically taught to reject our native culture and to adapt to the "one drop" rule. Consequently, we have had to deny who we are both in blood and in spirit. Therefore, it is imperative that we resist the notion to return to those days.
It's going to take vigilance and keenness and these we must have with us at all times. We must become enlightened about our past and about the plight of our ancestors. We must take time to acquire more knowlege about the native peoples of the Western hemisphere, thereby enabling ourselves to challenge stereotypes, etc which have been promoted from the dominant culture and which oppress native peoples. We must be aware of the blatant racism which is so prevasive in our society and do what we can to address it and stop it. We must find ourselves defending native/indigenous rights as well as our own. Lastly, we must take a stand on important social issues which face us all as people of color realizing that if we don't stand for something, we will fall for anything. And when we fall, it will be because we failed to become familiar with the tactics of those who mean to keep native people oppressed. Peace my friend and Aho! IvySpring
 

 
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