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From: chica35712/4/01 5:17 PM 
To: All  (31 of 60) 
 54.31 in reply to 54.30 
I have noticed many indians have bad feelings about the buffalo soldiers, and what they did for the white man.on the other side what about the red indians enslaving black africans both were an ugly side of american history, also i am told that the buffalo soldiers helped to fight puncho via.
 
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From: Coconut Queen (JEANNE2469) DelphiPlus Member Icon12/5/01 7:59 PM 
To: Lone Wolf (RAYMOND17) unread  (32 of 60) 
 54.32 in reply to 54.7 
It was also my understanding that the Black cavalry, or Buffalo Soldiers, did not come into existence until after the Civil War. After the slaves were freed, there weren't alot of choices thay had as far as people hiring them and joining the army was one of the few options they had eeek (sp) out a living--so, as you point out, they were doing what they had to do to survive.

It seems from what I have read that the majority of them did not want to be going after the Indians, but when you're in the military, you do what you're told.

And of course, until recently, the military was segregated...as late as WWII, I believe. If I remember my history correctly, there were Buffalo Soldiers as recent in history as WWI, which means that there was still a horse-mounted cavalry in World War I and that the military was segregated. It this isn't correct, please feel free to correct me.

 

 
From: YehudahAvram3/31/05 12:54 AM 
To: chica357 unread  (33 of 60) 
 54.33 in reply to 54.31 
"Red Indians" also plotted and fought each other for whites. so, the Buffalo Soldiers were used like other tribes. The last slaves were "freed" by the Cherokee in 1866.
 

 
From: ROdomJr4/20/05 12:12 PM 
To: All  (34 of 60) 
 54.34 in reply to 54.2 

From: shelby45 8/28/1999 10:40 pm
To: Tali1878



Hi Tali1878,
In your post you mentioned Indian slave owners. I was sad to read in a black geneology book that many tribes were very anti-black. The Cherokees, Choctaw, and Chickasaw among the worst offenders with regard to this prejudice.
It is sad to hear this since Indians and slaves were basically in the same boat. Even today we are facing very similar problems.

I hope attitudes have changed a bit.

Shelby



Hi! Shebly, Yes, it is so true and my root is from Robeson County in southeast North Carolina where a lot of Lumbee tribes live there...In Luberton, North Carolina their High School had a big fights between African/Multiracial-Americans and Native-Americans (Lumbee tribes) students which they had to shut it down for few days to "cool off"...As a result of some African/Multiracial-American parents decided to send their childrens to send other schools after they had a long meeting with all parents of students and administrators...I found out by reading my hometown newspaper, Fayetteville Observer about their situation and some athletic African/Multiracial-American boys dated Lumbee girls which it caused some Lumbee students who do NOT believe in "interracial relationship or marriage"! Funny things the Fayetteville Observer had to reveal about Lumbee's tri-racial history and they once went together in school where most European-American schools did not the Lumbee students to attend their school...My great-grandfather, who is a quadroon (n : an offspring of a Mulatto and a White parent; a person who is one-quarter Black [syn: Quadroon]), was a prinicpal there to oversee the African/Multiracial-American and Native-American students in Robeson County schools at least 100 years ago! Remember that we are children of God! Act 10:34-35 Roosevelt D. Odom, Jr.

 

 
From: casimiro (casimiro7)2/5/07 9:00 PM 
To: IvySpring unread  (35 of 60) 
 54.35 in reply to 54.3 

Hello IvySpring,

In my research on The Buffalo Soldiers, I learned that they were, in fact, Seminoles whose trail of tears ended on the western-most  edge of  Indian Territory .  As a part of their agreement with the United States to stop the war, they were to voluntarily relocate to Indian Territory.  While there, they were to teceive land, rifles for hunting, clothes, blankets, and other necessities.  Upon arriving in the territory, they  received a few blankets but no rifles for hunting, no land to farm, and eventually realized they had been deceived.  Some left the territory and returned to Florida while others remained.  While there they witnessed Apaches raid white farmers and horses used by the us army.   The US army, short of troops, promised to feed the wives and children of these brothers IF they could deter the Apaches from raiding the farmers.   These brothers desparate ---TO FEED THEIR FAMILIES---mind you, trusted the army again.  Being fearless fighters and excellent horsemen, they stopped the raids by the Apaches, and realized aain, they were deceived.  Subsequently, they moved to what is today, Brownsville, Texas, and later to Mexico.  

They were not sellouts!!!   

I implore you to continue your research.  Divide and conquer is a well-tested , successful strategy still used today.   Watch current events in "the middle east" .  Listen to the politicians and how they portray  the peoples of the region as if they all belong to the same group [much like they do "indians"].   You will see this divide and conquer used today. 

   


Edited 2/5/2007 10:02 pm by casimiro7

  • Edited 2/5/2007 10:17 pm by casimiro7
 

 
From: ctj5272/15/07 2:46 PM 
To: casimiro (casimiro7)  (36 of 60) 
 54.36 in reply to 54.35 

Good afternoon,   one and all...

Also let us forgive (not forget)  no person has their right to hog the stage...

And after having said/written that...

Where did you hear/read that any of the Buffalo Soldiers were Black Seminoles,  Casimiro?

I do have my own and I feel/think you have been misinformed...

The flip side is I tire of some redder than thou folk berating anybody here of black ancestry for things they allege about anybody who served in the U. S. armed services and also which my sources strongly suggest had nothing to do with the aformentioned Buffalo Soldiers...

On the other hand?

Some of the white soldiers deserved nothing the U. S. Congress dared to award them with medals for caring out...

And I don't associate the word 'bravery'  et al with what some white soldiers did at Wounded Knee in the late 1890's...

FYI...

Later...

CTJ

 

 
From: casimiro (casimiro7)2/26/07 10:43 PM 
To: ctj527  (37 of 60) 
 54.37 in reply to 54.36 

I believe it was in the book "The Black Seminoles", by Kenneth Wiggins Porter. 

Why is it that when a person in these forums miss a letter, or doesn't quote something verbatim, they are immediately attacked and assumed an idiot?

  • Edited 2/27/2007 12:30 pm by casimiro7
 

 
From: ctj5272/27/07 9:54 AM 
To: casimiro (casimiro7)  (38 of 60) 
 54.38 in reply to 54.37 

Good morning,   Casimiro...

And please do accept my personal apology if even something I unintentionally said/wrote you considered demeaning or insulting...

But just do realize and recognize that few  (if any of us ) who post on message boards are 'experts'  as regards everybody and everything...

So--yes--I do believe you came away-- after reading Mr. Katz's book-- with the false impression that the Buffalo Soldiers and the Negro Seminole Scouts were all black indians...

No...

Only the Negro Seminole Scouts...

And as my sources have revealed to me?

The Buffalo Soldiers had already been among the ex-black slaves and/or already free black men who took up arms to aid the Union side during the U. S.  Civil War:

Then they were recruited to defend the new territories that the United States were expected to be reorganized into new states (which is what eventually happened out west)...

Instead?

It was the American Indians who gave their foes the name(s)  'Buffalo Soldiers'  because of the bravery and courage and honor they always exibited in battle...

As well as no atrocities were associated with their dealings with the indians...

If anything:   Just the opposite...

That can not be said or written when it comes to their white counterparts...

Ditto the Negro Seminole Scouts were just that!

It was from an earlier generation of Black Seminoles,   i. e.,   who under the leadership of Black Seminole leader John Horse et al had fled the Seminole Nation, after being betrayed by Creek indians and/or  some of whose relations then had been sold to the white slave traders  back before the Civil War,  which wound up in Mexico...

Those folk had been given land and Mexican citizenship...

They were also called upon to defend Mexico from raids by hostile local tribes and various outlaw bands...

Then some of those former defenders of Mexican territory got lured back  (but on the basis of false promises of land et al on the Seminole reservation),   to do likewise in the service of the same U. S. military,  (just as  the aformentioned Buffalo soldiers were)...

Though the eventual outcome for the one group wasn't necessarily the same for the other?

Anyway...

Flashforward and the same sort of function gets carried about by OAS or NATO or African Union and/or  United Nations peacekeepers...

While my and the and more to the point?

Let us try to be a tad bit more forgiving and patient and understanding of each other's bad means and ways when we say/write one thing but used the wrong means/ways to do it...

Let us also realize and recognize that being the second most visible social strata on this planet that the whole world is prejudging us in terms of our distant or recent past--fairly or unfairly assuming a lot about us in the present and sometimes on the basis of a few handful...

Hence what we don't truly known and understand about all of the above can and will be used against all of us by those who envy and fear us...

I was and I am just trying to watch your back...

I hope you're doing likewise...

FYI...

And another one from a friend of the family...

Take care...

Later...

Peace...

 

  • Edited 2/27/2007 10:10 am by ctj527
 

 
From: casimiro (casimiro7)2/27/07 11:39 AM 
To: ctj527  (39 of 60) 
 54.39 in reply to 54.38 

Thank you very much for the clarification.   I enjoyed reading the history you gave me.  You should teach.  

I am never offended by a teacher.   Again; thanks!

 

 
From: ctj5272/27/07 1:10 PM 
To: casimiro (casimiro7)  (40 of 60) 
 54.40 in reply to 54.39 

I am elated and pleased and suprised by your reply...

(Smile)...

And yes:

I do strive to reach--to teach--and not to just preach!

Lastly:

Your compliment was appreciated and quite welcomed...

(BIG smile)...

Take care...

Later...

Peace...

 

 
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