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From: WEBELIAHU DelphiPlus Member Icon5/14/07 9:02 AM 
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May 14, 2007

          "No one is quite sure why nudity, at least the organized version promoted by the AANR and similar groups, is such a tough sell for younger people."

          Who do they mean by, "No one"?  I'm quite sure I know the answer to their question and I'll explain it in the next post.

Nudists Try to Attract Younger Following

WOODSTOCK, Conn. (AP) - Here's the naked truth about nude recreation: The people who practice it aren't getting any younger.

To draw 20- and 30-somethings, nudist groups and camps are trying everything from deep discounts on membership fees to a young ambassador program that encourages college and graduate students to talk to their peers about having fun in the buff.

"We don't want the place to turn into a gated assisted living facility," said Gordon Adams, membership director at Solair Recreation League, a nudist camp in northeastern Connecticut that recently invited students from dozens of New England schools to a college day in hopes of piquing their interest.

The median age is 55 at Solair, where a yearly membership is $500 for people older than 40, $300 for people younger than 40 and $150 for college students.

The Kissimee, Fla.-based American Association for Nude Recreation, which represents about 270 clubs and resorts in North America, estimates that more than 90 percent of its 50,000 members are older than 35.

"If a young person is enlightened enough to go to a beach or resort, they'll find that they're outnumbered by people who are not like them," said Sam Miller, 32, a medical student in Riverside, Calif., who is helping to plan a youth ambassadors workshop being held next month in Orlando, Fla. "Oftentimes they won't go back for that reason."

No one is quite sure why nudity, at least the organized version promoted by the AANR and similar groups, is such a tough sell for younger people.


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From: WEBELIAHU DelphiPlus Member Icon5/14/07 9:03 AM 
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To Everyone,

          Here is their question:  "No one is quite sure why nudity, at least the organized version promoted by the AANR and similar groups, is such a tough sell for younger people."

         The answer has to do with the makeup of the neshama (human soul).  The nashama is given to a person clean and free of sin.  This Christian idea of "born in sin" is fallacious.  

         Pretend you have just paid $5,000 to have a plush new beautiful carpet installed in your house.  You might put down plastic to walk on so as not to leave dirt or stains.  You might make people take off their shoes.  Certainly nobody is allowed to take food outside of the kitchen/dining area.

         Sooner of later the protection slacks off.  Things start showing up on the carpet.  You remove the plastic, and start allowing people to wear shoes again.  They can even bring popcorn into the living room now.

         To bring a person to immorality works in very much the same way.  Public nudity is very immoral behavior and a known and easily recognized stepping stone into far graver areas of both physical and spiritual danger. 

         It does not come easily for a person to act in an immoral way the first time.  He needs coaxing, cheering on, perhaps a little alcohol.  To get someone to take their clothes off in front of a crowd for the first time is no easy sell.  Once they do it however, once they are coaxed into it, then, the stigma is vastly reduced.  The deflector shields have lost 80% of their power. The second time is not nearly so difficult.  By the third and fourth time, the shields have been destroyed, immorality has now become a way of life.

            The same is true for theft, murder, homosexuality, and whatever other unGodly behavior you'd care to dwell upon.  The first time is much harder than the second time, and by the time you get to the fourth and fifth time, you don't have a human being anymore.  All that's left in an animal.  

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  • Edited 5/14/2007 9:03 am by WEBELIAHU

From: WEBELIAHU DelphiPlus Member Icon3/25/11 11:38 AM 
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March 25, 2011

Democrats advance 'lesbians-as-role models' plan

'Costly state mandate targets children for sexual brainwashing'

A band of six Democrats in the California state Senate voted today to advance a bill that has been described as "the worst school sexual indoctrination ever" and would require that school children be taught to admire "lesbian, gay, bisexual and transsexual" role models.

S.B. 48 is sponsored by state Sen. Mark Leno, who boasts on his website of founding a business with his "life partner, Douglas Jackson," who later died of AIDS complications.

Randy Thomasson of the family-promoting said parents "don't want and children don't need 'LGBTIQ' role models in school."

"S.B. 48 micromanages public schools by forcing teachers, administrators, local school boards, textbooks, and instructional materials to promote a gaggle of sexual lifestyles that disturb parents and confuse kids," Thomasson said. "This costly state mandate targets children for sexual brainwashing, behind the backs of parents, teaching boys and girls to admire those who engage in homosexual, bisexual or transsexual behavior."

He explained that if S.B. 48 becomes law, children as young as 6 years old will be subjected to mandatory lessons about same-sex "marriage," bisexuality and individuals who choose to undergo sex-change operations. 

"Children will be taught to support the political activism of 'Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Intersex and Questioning' (LGBTIQ) political groups, as the bill requires 'particular emphasis on portraying the role of these groups in contemporary society,'" he explained in a warning to parents about the dangers their children face in public schools.

"Teachers will be made to positively portray homosexuality, same-sex 'marriages,' bisexuality, and transsexuality (sex-changes operations), because to be silent can bring the charge of 'reflecting adversely,'" he said.

And Thomasson warned school boards will be required to select textbooks and other instructional materials that positively portray sex-change operations, same-sex 'marriages' and more.

In a letter to Rep. Alan Lowenthall, chairman of the Senate Education Committee where the vote – six Democrats in favor and three Republicans opposed – was recorded, Thomasson's organization had opposed the plan.

"On behalf of the millions of parents we serve and the children they love, please oppose S.B. 48, which is the most radical sexual indoctrination ever of children in California public schools, which are supposed to be about academics," the letter said.

"S.B. 48 is intolerant. It would force – much more than recommend – all local school boards, public school teachers, and history textbooks to teach children as young as kindergarten to admire 'lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans' as their personal role models," he wrote.

"Fathers and mothers who love their children and want moral values for their children cannot trust Democrat legislators, homosexuals or teacher unions, all of which conspired to push forward this perverse bill," he told WND.

Thomasson's, which was a key player in the battle in the state in 2007 and 2008 over a variety of laws that now forbid any "adverse" portrayal of alternative sexual choices in school, class, curriculum and by teachers, now also promotes the website, which advocates for parents to take their children out of government schools.

Equality California, an organization that advocates for homosexuality, said others sponsoring the plan include Sen. Christine Kehoe, D-San Diego; and Assembly members Tom Ammiano, D-San Francisco; Toni Atkins, D-San Diego; Rich Gordon, D-San Mateo; and Ricardo Lara, D-East Los Angeles.

On his state website, Leno expressed his worry: "Most textbooks don't include any historical information about the LGBT movement, which has great significance to both California and U.S. history."

"Our collective silence on this issue perpetuates negative stereotypes of LGBT people and leads to increased bullying of young people. We can't simultaneously tell youth that it's OK to be yourself and live an honest, open life when we aren't even teaching students about historical LGBT figures or the LGBT equal rights movement," he said., however, says such a teaching plan "is radical, in-your-face sexual indoctrination that parents genuinely don't want and children certainly don't need."

The California Legislative Counsel's commentary on the bill affirms it would "require instruction in social sciences to also include a study of the role and contributions of Native Americans, African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Pacific Islanders, European Americans, lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans … t
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From: WEBELIAHU DelphiPlus Member Icon5/10/11 8:59 AM 
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May 10, 2011


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From: WEBELIAHU DelphiPlus Member Icon5/11/11 3:38 PM 
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   "Let's see, the military is federal, and federal law, the DOMA, says marriage is between a man and a woman, so how can they tell chaplains to violate federal law?"

    Their logic is that the chaplains will not be compelled. It will be optional. I agree with you that DOMA is violated even with voluntary compliance.


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From: WEBELIAHU DelphiPlus Member Icon5/12/11 8:48 AM 
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May 12, 2011

      "That prompted an immediate "Wait a minute!" moment from members of Congress, who pointed out that it really wasn't up to the Navy to overturn the federal Defense of Marriage Act – the current law of the land."

Pentagon 'confused' over gender, needs help from Congress

Navy approves same-sex 'marriages,' then changes course, at least for now

The U.S. military is profoundly confused over the issue of gender, and needs help from Congress to steer a course through the controversy over open homosexuality in the ranks, according to a military analyst and critic of President Obama's campaign promise to homosexual organizations he would open the military for those who choose that lifestyle.

"Given the Pentagon's confusion, there is no way that the Obama administration can in good faith 'certify' that full implementation of repeal 60 days later would not do serious harm to our military," said Elaine Donnelly, the chief of the Center for Military Readiness, which has as its goal promoting "High standards and sound policies for our military men and women."

"Congress needs to receive and evaluate actual Defense Department directives before 'certification' occurs, not afterwards," she said. "Platitudes and PowerPoint slides are not regulations."

Her plea for order and common sense in the military came just after the U.S. Navy first announced that it would allow its chaplains to perform same-sex "marriages" at military bases, then abruptly changed course and suspended that statement. 

According to a report from Assocated Press, Rear Adm. Mark Tidd, chief of Navy chaplains, admitted he had made the decision, but then decided that it should be "suspended until further notice pending additional legal and policy review and interdepartmental coordination."

Donnelly noted that even the reversal simply is untrustworthy:

"On April 13 the Navy Chief of Chaplains announced in a memo that when repeal of the law regarding homosexuals in the military is fully implemented, chaplains who wish to perform same-sex 'marriages' will be allowed to do so on military bases located in states where such unions are legal," she said.

"A second memorandum reported by The Washington Post purported to reverse this policy, but it does not reverse anything. Navy Chief of Chaplains Rear Adm. Mark L. Tidd has merely announced suspension of his earlier memo 'pending additional legal and policy review' and closer coordination with the Army, Air Force, and Coast Guard,'" she said.

"Congress should not be misled by the Navy's equivocation. This weather-vane policy is likely to change back as soon as all the branches of service get on board and Congress looks the other way," she continued. "Congress must intervene, since Defense Department lawyers don't know – or don't want to tell – what they are doing."

The original memo suggested "legal counsel has concluded that generally speaking, base facility use is sexual orientation neutral. If the base is located in a state where same-sex marriage is legal, then base facilities may normally be used to celebrate the marriage. … This is a change to previous training that stated same-sex marriages are not authorized on federal property."

That prompted an immediate "Wait a minute!" moment from members of Congress, who pointed out that it really wasn't up to the Navy to overturn the federal Defense of Marriage Act – the current law of the land.

The letter, from U.S. Rep. Todd Akin and dozens of other members of the U.S. House, noted, "We find it unconscionable that the United States Navy, a federal entity sworn to 'preserve and protect the Constitution of the United States' believes it is their place alone to train and direct servicemembers to violate federal law."

"The Defense of Marriage Act protects the sanctity of the bond specifically between a man and a woman, and as defenders of the institution of marriage we agree with the vast majority of the American people that the preservation of marriage is critical to society's stability and is in the best interest of American families," the letter said.

"It is not the place of any citizen of this country to pick and choose which laws they are going to obey. We expect citizens sworn to defend those laws to set the example in their application," the letter said.

The letter, addressed to Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus in the Pentagon, said, "We find it difficult to understand how the military is somehow exempt from abiding by federal law. Not only does this document [the announcement from Tidd] imply recognition and support of same-sex marriage in opposition to DOMA, but it also implies that the Navy will now perform these marriages…"

Donnelly pointed out that retired Lt. Gen. Benjamin Mixon, who was the Army's Pacific Commander before his retirement this month, said the military cannot operate with different sets of rules for each state.

Mixon said, "Service in the military is not like a civilian job, so it stands to reason regulations and laws are needed that are different and unique to military service. We have rules governing infidelity, drugs and others that are not found in civil society. Using the Navy rationale for this misguided marriage policy, we would have to allow marijuana on certain installations or lesser punishments for violations in states that have lax laws. Our great military service members cannot operate effectively in this type of environment."

WND reported just days ago
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From: WEBELIAHU DelphiPlus Member Icon5/18/11 8:06 AM 
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May 18, 2011

Bloomberg Goes to Albany to Promote Same Gender Marriage; Agudah Fights Back

On the same day that Mayor Mike Bloomberg jetted to Albany with his political ally NYC Council Speaker Christine Quinn to promote same-gender marriage, Agudath Israel of America released a call for arms asking citizens for their help in fighting the “pernicious” proposal. Mayor Bloomberg made a point of saying that he would use his power and wealth to support Republicans who buck the establishment and support same-gender marriage.

The fight for same-gender marriage has renewed interest in a potential race to replace Senator Carl Kruger in the New York State Senate. Senator Kruger, a Democrat, has been a consistent “no” vote on same-gender marriage. However, the leading Democratic candidate to replace him, Councilman Lew Fidler, is a firm “yes” vote. Republicans are looking to recruit a candidate to run against Fidler in part on this issue. One of the names being floated is Mayoral aide Fred Kreizman. However, it is unclear if Fred shares his boss – Mayor Bloomberg’s view on same-gender marriage – or has his own. Regardless, Agudath Israel isn’t taking any chances and sent the letter below to their thousands of members:


TO: Agudath Israel of America constituents and friends in New York State

FROM: Rabbi Chaim Dovid Zwiebel, Esq., Executive Vice President, Rabbi Shmuel Lefkowitz, Vice President for Community Affairs


DATE:  May 17, 2011

The New York State Legislature is expected to vote soon on a bill that would legalize same-gender marriage.  This bill is both morally and legally unacceptable, and could lead to serious negative consequences.

The battleground for this legislation is likely to be in the New York State Senate.  We therefore urge you to take a minute right now and:

1. Call your State Senator and leave the message that you are deeply opposed to legalizing same-gender marriage and will be watching to see how the Senator votes on this important issue.  To be connected to your State Senator, or If you don’t know who your State Senator is, call the Senate operator at 518-455-2800.

2.  Please then pass this e-mail along to as many friends as you can who are likely to make similar calls.

Together, we can help defeat this pernicious legislation.


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