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From: sbljrAug-19 7:54 AM 
To: Bike (URALTOURIST1) DelphiPlus Member Icon Poll  (21 of 53) 
 6018.21 in reply to 6018.20 

Yes the guns Walmart sells are sporting arms.

More homicides occur using blunt instruments (baseball bats, hammers, tire irons etc.) than with hunting rifles.

Should Walmart stop selling those items too?

 
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From: BlueManDudeAug-19 8:29 AM 
To: sbljr Poll  (22 of 53) 
 6018.22 in reply to 6018.21 

Maybe they should start selling brains, so you can pick one up.

 

 
From: Patrick Rock (PFR291) DelphiPlus Member IconAug-19 8:37 AM 
To: BlueManDude Poll  (23 of 53) 
 6018.23 in reply to 6018.22 

Actually, his stat is only correct if you add EVERY single object that can be considered a "blunt instrument" (including guns used as such), count every instance where they were used in addition to firearms, and ignore whether they actually had a part in the death (it counts people being hit with a blunt object after having died).  If someone hits his victim with the blunt end of a hunting rifle, then turns it around to shoot and kill the victim, it counts both as a death by shooting with a hunting rifle and as a death by attack with a "blunt instrument", and they count it as a Two-fer.

It's an old NRA practice.  Remember Mark Twain's quote about statistics being the third and worst kind of lie; they practice that as if it were a good thing, and distort statistics relentlessly.

 

 
From: BlueManDudeAug-19 8:44 AM 
To: Patrick Rock (PFR291) DelphiPlus Member Icon Poll  (24 of 53) 
 6018.24 in reply to 6018.23 

Bottom line is very clear. countries like Japan & Canada, where folks watch & play the very same video games as Americans, don not have anywhere near the number of gun homicide or wounding as the US does, there must be some reason for that... wonder what it is.

 

 
From: Dan (DANCULBERSON) DelphiPlus Member IconAug-19 10:31 AM 
To: Patrick Rock (PFR291) DelphiPlus Member Icon Poll  (25 of 53) 
 6018.25 in reply to 6018.23 

Patrick Rock (PFR291) said...

Remember Mark Twain's quote about statistics being the third and worst kind of lie

According to Wikipedia:

The phrase was popularized in the United States by Mark Twain (among others), who attributed it to the British prime minister Benjamin Disraeli: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

 

 
From: Patrick Rock (PFR291) DelphiPlus Member IconAug-19 11:32 AM 
To: Dan (DANCULBERSON) DelphiPlus Member Icon Poll  (26 of 53) 
 6018.26 in reply to 6018.25 

Several people did variations of it; Twain attributed it incorrectly to Disraeli, but there is no actual record in any of Disraeli's published works or letters, nor any direct quote.  Twain was the first to use that specific phraseology.  There were several similar statements made before Twain, but he may have simply paraphrased it into a better (funnier and more articulate) quote.

 

 
From: Dan (DANCULBERSON) DelphiPlus Member IconAug-19 11:44 AM 
To: Patrick Rock (PFR291) DelphiPlus Member Icon Poll  (27 of 53) 
 6018.27 in reply to 6018.26 

Patrick Rock (PFR291) said...

There were several similar statements made before Twain, but he may have simply paraphrased it into a better (funnier and more articulate) quote.

Yeah, and that's a problem with quoting someone. I used to manage a forum called "Quote," and if someone famous quotes someone else, who gets credit for the quote? The originator? The famous person? Or the first one who comes up during a search for the quote?

 

 
From: Patrick Rock (PFR291) DelphiPlus Member IconAug-19 12:06 PM 
To: Dan (DANCULBERSON) DelphiPlus Member Icon Poll  (28 of 53) 
 6018.28 in reply to 6018.27 

Like Robert Kennedy's paraphrased quote of George Bernard Shaw, "Some men see things as they are and ask 'Why?'  I dream of things that never were and ask 'Why not?'"

Shaw's actual quote was "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask 'Why?'  I dream of things that never were and ask 'Why not?'"

Fifty years later, Kennedy gets credit for the quote more than Shaw; I think that the differences between the two are minor, and that Shaw still gets credit for being first (and Kennedy nearly always gave him the credit).

 

 

 
From: YWN666 DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostAug-19 12:42 PM 
To: sbljr Poll  (29 of 53) 
 6018.29 in reply to 6018.21 

The thing is that those those blunt instruments have a primary function that does not involve killing.  Can you say the same of guns?

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From: sbljrAug-19 1:52 PM 
To: YWN666 DelphiPlus Member Icon Poll  (30 of 53) 
 6018.30 in reply to 6018.29 

With regard to killing people yes the same thing can be said about all hunting weapons (firearms as well as other types which can cause injury or death).

Guns made for hunting are not for killing people any more than rat poison, which is also sold at Walmart.

Both are sold for the purpose of legally killing animals.  Granted some people think killing animals is wrong but GFL getting Walmart and their customers to agree with you.

 

 
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