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From: Isis (georgia18) DelphiPlus Member Icon3/6/06 1:24 AM 
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Rediscovering the New World

Ancient bones offer glimpse into how earliest settlers lived

Sunday, March 5, 2006; Posted: 11:29 a.m. EST (16:29 GMT)

Editor's note: The following is a summary of this week's Time magazine cover story.

Skeletal remains found near the Columbia River show an individual with a right arm overly developed, probably from hunting and spear fishing.

(Time.comexternal link) -- It's been more than a decade since the bones of an ancient hunter were found along the banks of the Columbia River in Benton County, Washington, near the town of Kennewick.

The remains are more than 9,000 years old, putting them in scarce class that could shed light on how the New World was first settled.

Although the skeleton, known as Kennewick Man, was found in the summer of 1996, the local Umatilla Indians and four other Columbia Basin tribes almost immediately claimed it as ancestral remains under the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act.

A group of researchers sued, starting a legal tug-of-war and negotiations that ended only last summer, with the scientists getting their first extensive access to the bones. And now, for the first time, we know the results of that examination.

What we're learning was worth the wait. Sophisticated forensic techniques have allowed scientists to plumb these remains for secrets of how life began in the New World. The skeleton not only reveals the personal condition of one man some 9,000 years ago, but it also offers a rare glimpse into how the first settlers may have lived and survived.

Consider, for example, what scientists can now tell us about Kennewick Man's physical attributes. He stood about 5 feet 9 and was fairly muscular. He was clearly right-handed: the bones of the right arm are markedly larger than those of the left. In fact, says forensic anthropologist Douglas Owsley of the Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of Natural History, "the bones are so robust that they're bent," the result, he speculates, of muscles built up during a lifetime of hunting and spear fishing.

An examination of the joints showed that Kennewick Man had arthritis in the right elbow, both knees and several vertebrae but that it wasn't severe enough to be crippling. He had suffered plenty of trauma as well. "One rib was fractured and healed," says Owsley, "and there is a depression fracture on his forehead and a similar indentation on the left side of the head."

The revelations are all the more remarkable when you consider the limitations placed on the team by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which is responsible for the skeleton because the Corps has jurisdiction over the federal land on which it was found.

The researchers had to do nearly all their work at the University of Washington's Burke Museum, where Kennewick Man has been housed in a locked room since 1998, under the watchful eyes of representatives of both the Corps and the museum. And, says Owsley, "we only had 10 days to do everything we wanted to do. It was like a choreographed dance."

One of the big unanswered questions was whether Kennewick Man was Caucasian. The answer, it turns out, is probably no. He's more likely Polynesian or closer to Ainu, an ethnic group that is now found only in northern Japan but in prehistoric times lived throughout coastal areas of eastern Asia, say researchers.

That assessment will be tested more rigorously when scientists compare Kennewick Man's skull with databases of several thousand other skulls, both modern and ancient.

But provisionally, at least, the evidence fits in with a revolutionary new picture that over the past decade has utterly transformed anthropologists' long-held theories about the colonization of the Americas.

And thanks to a deeper understanding of Kennewick Man and much more scientific research into ancient artifacts and migration patterns, scientists are piecing together a picture of human life in this hemisphere that's far more complex and certainly much older than anyone had previously imagined.

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From: wanbli5293/11/06 3:53 AM 
To: Isis (georgia18) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (2 of 10) 
 708.2 in reply to 708.1 

A few problems:

1. There are older sites in North America. Much older. I'm talking 40,000 years old.
2. There are older human remains.
3. The method they used to determine race, craniometrics, is about as useful as phrenology. They don't even have craniometric criteria for Indians.


From: ctj5273/12/06 2:25 PM 
To: wanbli529 unread  (3 of 10) 
 708.3 in reply to 708.2 

Good afternoon and welcome back poster!

While I urge you to break it all down,   i. e.,   via means and ways as regards somebody who may not have a degree in archaeology,   so I can  better understand and know what  you'r usuing to dispute some of the evidence being provided,  e. g,  as regards somebody's theories and/or what they're claming about our indigenous related ancestors origins etc.

And thanks in advance!






From: stormshaddow3/17/06 1:27 AM 
To: wanbli529 unread  (4 of 10) 
 708.4 in reply to 708.2 

What's up man?lol 

Just how reliable is crainiology?






From: Isis (georgia18) DelphiPlus Member Icon3/20/06 1:06 AM 
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 708.5 in reply to 708.2 

We have always been here.  I am not surprised that more proof of earlier human habitation exists...much more archaeological work still needs to be done.


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From: stormshaddow3/25/06 9:58 PM 
To: Isis (georgia18) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (6 of 10) 
 708.6 in reply to 708.5 
That's my belief too. But, there are some many idealogues trying to disprove our ties to this land. And that makes me not want to trust much of their so called findings.

From: ROSETTA3218/13/06 9:52 PM 
To: Isis (georgia18) DelphiPlus Member Icon unread  (7 of 10) 
 708.7 in reply to 708.1 

Didn't this kennewick Man turn out to be the actor Patrick Stewart of white Scandinavian ancestry ???? ... who played the captain in Star Trek: Next Generation fame.

Which goes to show how UNRELIABLE all this crap about rebuilding a human face from a skeletal remains is .... LOL!   It's strictly science fiction!



From: ctj5278/16/06 10:43 AM 
To: ROSETTA321  (8 of 10) 
 708.8 in reply to 708.7 

This post is downright silly!


Later for this too!



From: ctj5278/16/06 10:45 AM 
To: All  (9 of 10) 
 708.9 in reply to 708.1 

One more time:

This is also a part of a deliberate effort to undermine whatever discussions/debates/etc.  we're having now by reviving a thread about something we discussed/debated long ago...

Later for this as well...


  • Edited 8/16/2006 10:58 am by ctj527

From: ROSETTA3218/17/06 12:12 AM 
To: ctj527  (10 of 10) 
 708.10 in reply to 708.8 
  • This post is downright silly! >> (Groan)... >> Later for this too!

You must use you time wisely to read anything.  There is even a website that compares Patrick Stewart to the Kennewick man.  I suggest you take some time and read it.  o

And then there was a thread on another messageboard about the Kennewick man remains allegedly being assigned by the court to Patrick Stewart claiming that they were the remains of his ancestor ... that is according to the rebuilding the face from skeletal remains.  This sounded like a prank to me and a lead-in for someone later to come up with some bones of a man and claim him to be Jesus Christ, and then have someone come forward who looked just like the re-created face and be declared by the court to be Jesus Christ ancestor.  But since nothing is mentioned of what this thead claimed on the following link which has all information up-to-date on the Kennewick man, I think it was a prank.  I suggest you read it also. Kennewick Man News  o

You need to learn to read and search out a topic before you speak on it.



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