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From: stormshaddow6/11/06 12:05 AM 
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Two Black Men Say They Are Creek Indians And Want Citizenship Confirmed
Tuesday March 21, 2006 5:44pm   Reporter: Kim Jackson   Posted By: Kevin King
Tulsa - Two men say they belong in the Creek Nation. The problem? They're black and don't look Native American. The two men say they have Creek blood and Creek ancestry. Now, a tribal court is backing them up. NewsChannel 8's Kim Jackson has more on the controversy.

As early as the 1700s, many blacks and Native Americans lived together, married into families and created black Indians. The problem is the government listed many of the black Indians has having no Indian blood at all, cutting them off from Indian citizenship. That is, until now.

Ron Graham may not look Native American, but he is. His dad even spoke Creek, fluently.

"One of the first words my father taught me was medu, which means welcome," Graham says. "I'll never forget that."

For twenty years, he's been applying for Creek citizenship and has been denied. It's the same story for Fred Johnston. Both have Creek ancestors, who were citizens.

"They said we were slaves," Johnston says. "Oh, but that was our immediate family. I go way back to Ben Marshall, 2nd chief of Creek Nation, 1846."

A tribal judge says their rights were violated and has ordered the citizenship board to reconsider. So, we went to see them apply for citizenship. Again, they were anxious for a decision.

They hit another snag, when tribal workers saw our camera.

"Why do I have to turn this off?"

"Call Lighthorse police."

Security watched us all closely. And lawyer Damario Simmons says this is what the defendants have faced the last twenty years, sometimes even being denied applications.

"We believe they were denied because of miseducation and racism," says Simmons.

Miseducation because if you look on Graham's records and see his family tree, with Creek blood, in every generation.

"I've always tried to be a part of this tribe, always."

And, he just wants it to be official.

The Creek Nation chief was not available to comment on the issue. In the end, we were asked to leave their building. We do know the citizenship board will consider the applications which were filed Tuesday.

It is now harder for anyone to prove they have Creek blood. The Creek Nation enacted more strict rules in 2001. The men we spoke to today filed their applications before the changes took effect.

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From: stormshaddow6/12/06 7:28 PM 
To: ctj527  (2 of 49) 
 716.2 in reply to 716.1 
Its not only the Cherokee.

From: stormshaddow6/12/06 7:43 PM 
To: Beattybug (BCD3) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (3 of 49) 
 716.3 in reply to 716.1 
I bet you didn't hear about this in your Native groups?

From: ctj5276/13/06 10:04 AM 
To: stormshaddow  (4 of 49) 
 716.4 in reply to 716.2 

Good morning,  Stormshadow!

And both black run Freedmen Descendants Associations know that too!

But one is merely concentrating on the ongoing battle between the Cherokee Freedmen seeking re-inclusion and the present tribal leadership desperately seeking continuing exclusion of them...

How it will eventually be resolved?

Who knows?!?

Ditto just how and pray for the best!

Take care...





From: stormshaddow6/13/06 6:44 PM 
To: ctj527  (5 of 49) 
 716.5 in reply to 716.4 
The Cherokee Freedmen out number Freedmen of the other four Tribes. Where are the two organizations on the Freedmen of the Creek, Choctaw, Chicasaw, and Seminole?

From: Beattybug (BCD3) DelphiPlus Member Icon6/13/06 10:55 PM 
To: stormshaddow  (6 of 49) 
 716.6 in reply to 716.3 

Hecky naw!    LOL

You know they don't talk about much of anything when it comes to Black Natives.    That's what sort of gripes me and that's why I stopped going to alot of those groups.    I only pop in off and on now.    Their only interests are full bloods and White Natives.    They don't have any interest in Black Natives.




From: stormshaddow6/13/06 11:11 PM 
To: Beattybug (BCD3) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (7 of 49) 
 716.7 in reply to 716.6 

I know! We have faced the same genocide they have. But some can be so selective when it comes to these issues.

Right now, we have a common interest with so many of them too. The tribal governments are disenrolling so many people because of casinos.


From: Beattybug (BCD3) DelphiPlus Member Icon6/13/06 11:27 PM 
To: stormshaddow  (8 of 49) 
 716.8 in reply to 716.7 

I never realized that there was so much predjudice towards those who are Black mixed Natives as there is.   I guess I was living in a dream world or something.   I was going on the history that Blacks and Natives once had when the two groups were much closer.   That has been lost in our life time.   




From: stormshaddow6/14/06 12:41 AM 
To: Beattybug (BCD3) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (9 of 49) 
 716.9 in reply to 716.8 
A lot has changed between then and now. So many of the Tribes went through a kind of vetting process by.......yep! you guess it......The government. At that time racist and corupt Indian comissions determined who was Indian and who wasn't.

From: ctj5276/14/06 10:47 AM 
To: stormshaddow  (10 of 49) 
 716.10 in reply to 716.5 

Good morning,  Stormshadow...

And all I can suggest is you check out the AFRICAN-NATIVE-AMERICAN GENEOLOGY forum's posts  (where you will eventually find some of the answers to your questions)!

Good luck...

Best wishes...



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