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From: ROSETTA3211/15/08 8:46 PM 
To: BlackChoctaw  (75 of 137) 
 745.75 in reply to 745.13 
  • <blackchoctaw quote:   I have Native American Heritage on both my parents sides there are records dating back to 1889 and before of my ancestors in this land.>>>>

And we all know that records can are often falsifed in the USA... especially these so-called government records.  I could tell you a few stories about how such records are falsified but no one is ever prosecuted in the USA for breaking the laws against falsifications of officials records (at local, state, federal, judiciary government branches) when such acts are reported.  I've seen plenty of fake photos (from government archives) of alleged "black slaves" and "Native Americans" online and being sold in book stores.

  • <blackchoctaw quote:  God also told also told Cain he would get a curse for murdering his brother Able, wether Cain accepted Able or not he was still his brother. >

You have obviously missed the point of this account of Qayin/Cain and the trouble he had living with his own twin brother in peace.  The point is that Qayin was bannished from living with his parents (the Man or Ha'adam/Adam and Chauah/Eve) and the rest of his sisters and brothers.  Qayin/Cain went wandering into the land of Nod away from his family with his wife.  The children of Qayin/Cain (1st born son) and the rest of the children of the Man or Ha'adam/Adam did not live together in the same land.  And the children of Sheth/Seth <pronounced Shayth> the righteous son allegedly lived on the mountain while Qayin/Cain the wicked lived in the plains with a few other wicked children of the Man or Ha'adam/Adam.  At no time did these two groups live in the same land insisting that each recognized each other as brothers ... ignoring how wicked the children of Qayin/Cain broke the divine laws of our Lord.

  • <blackchoctaw quote:  If Black Americans have no records dating back to Africa what other lands could we be native in? I wouldn't be a native of Africa because 1. there are no records of my ancestors being there. 2. There are records of my ancestors here and thier involvments. 3. Black American Natives deserve the respect to be called Black American Natives because many had mixed marriages. >

These so-called "Black Americans" of immigrant European Negro-Yaphetite (son of Qayin/Cain) are from europe, which is why there are "no records dating back to Africa" ...  These european Negroes as hired indentured servants (counted as FREE PERSON by mandate of the USA Constitution) came to our ancestral homelands from western europe via the Caribbean Islands of Jamaica, Barbados, Bahamas which they stole from our cousins the Shemitic-Arawaks and from the Racham/Cham/Hamitic people of South America called Caribs.  There are alleged records of immigrant european Negroes in the USA because they are the ones keeping the records and falsifying the entire history of the USA.  No group of people "deserve the respect" to be called American Natives because they have broken the divine laws of our Lord and unlawfully invaded, occupied and stolen our ancestral homelands which carries a curse for this offense (or sin).  I've often heard many allegations of alleged "mixed marriages" between these homosexual (?) immigrant blacks and indigenous Native Americans, ... but since homosexual males are sterile and their allies the seed of the serpent/nachash can only produce sterile/barren mulattoes, there is little chance that many (if any) of real the indigenous Black Indian Native Americans are of immigrant european Negro blood.  Besides, immigrant european females are fakes ... cosmetically made over males to resemble real women and  cannot give birth, no matter how they pretend on TV and in the media with fake photos of white and black transgender males looking pregnant.  These (black, white, whatever) simply go to obstetricians and place an order of a baby (cosmetically made over males (even the female babies are males that have been cosmetically made over), start wearing maternity frocks and pretend they are pregnant.  It's an abomination, and a sick sin and disgrace before our Lord in breaking His divine laws against homosexuality, lying and lying with animals as with womankind. (I often wondered why there were only white males as state licensed doctors could for a long time deliver our babies in the USA... and why our indigenous Black Indian Native Americans don't have any doctors or hospitals of our own and why mid-wives were outlawed for years in the USA... using these obstetricans to fill up our country with homosexual immigrant black and white fake heterosexual families pretending to naturally have babies.)

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From: ROSETTA3211/15/08 9:58 PM 
To: BlackChoctaw  (76 of 137) 
 745.76 in reply to 745.13 
  • <blackchoctaw quote:  "God doesnt want or like racism among his people.">>>

I don't know what God you are referring to ... but our Maker and Lord YHVH (Yahvah - Hebrew name) doesn't want His holy people living around wicked people always breaking His divine laws and worshipping idols or false gods.  He made that clear from the very beginning when He bannished the unrepentant Qayin/Cain after he murdered his own twin brother.  And our Lord retells this point when He gave His laws to His servant Mosheh/Moses for the entire world when He said that we should obey His laws and be "holy" because He is "holy" (or qadosh <pronounced kaw-doshe'> in Hebrew); ... that we should never tolerate the company of the unrighteous ... This is why the world was divided among the sons of of our blessed father Nocha/Noah after the flood ... wherein the children of Qayin/Cain had enslaved all the children of Kush, son of Racham/Cham/Ham, except for Nimrod ... who then raised an army in the name of our Lord and freed them.

Leviticus 11

     44 For I am YHVH/Yahvah (the LORD) your AHLYM/'Elohiym (God)[:] you shall therefore sanctify (purifiy) yourselves and you shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall you defile (corrupt) yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.

     45 For I am YHVH (the LORD) that brings you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your AHLYM (God)[:] you shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

These immigrant european Negroes (descended from Qayin/Cain) have the entire northern part of the world in which to live with their other brethrens.  There is no justification for them to unlawfully and sinfully invade our ancestral homelands in the middle (center) and southern portions of the earth ... taking and destroying everything ... and demanding "respect" to steal away our blood ancestry by calling themselves after our ancestral homelands which were allotted for all times to our blessed fathers HaShem/Shem (middle of earth) and Racham/Cham/Ham (southern part of earth) and their children (seed or descendants) for all times ... until the day of final judgement by our Lord.

  • <blackchoctaw quote:  "There are plenty of people in Hawaii who are of Negroid descent but are considered Hawaiian because of thier ancestory, the Philipines are the same way,Polynesia the only thing they are not racists against thier own blood no matter how they look they are accepted not rejected by thier own people.">>

If there are allegedly "plenty of people in Hawaii who are of Negroid descent" it is because they have unlawfully invaded these Shemitie-Kushyte ancestral homelands like they have so done in the USA, Mexico, Palestine, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, India, China, Japan, Korea, southeast Asia, Africa, New Zeland, Australia, South America, Central America, the Caribbeans,  etc...  Negroes are descendants of Qayin/Cain from europe via Yaphet/Japheth the 3rd son  of our blessed father Nocha/Noah.  Nationality or the name of the country should never be used to talk about blood ancestry of people and their alleged "right" to illegaly invade and occupy someone elses ancestral homelands (no matter what you call it -- discovering a new world, immigration, global economics (labor) or seeking political assylum) ... as our Lord by His divine laws through our blessed father Nocha/Noah settled this matter thousands of years ago by the dividing of the earth during the time our blessed father Peleg <pronounced Peh'-leg> was born (according to the book of Jubilees, chapters 8,9).

  • <blackchoctaw quote:  "But God's own people beat him,tortured him and hung him on the cross. His own people did not accept him as the Massiah, but were used by the Devil to bring him down. Although the devil used people to destroy Christ he fell into Christs plans to save the world.">>>

At least now we know what God you are talking about.  I guess this mean you don't believe the ancient controversy about the real identity of your God Jesus Christ ...?  That he was factually Apollonius of Tyana ... that the european Negro-Roman emperor Constantine invented the Christianity of the Roman Catholic Church and religious Holy Scriptures and inserted the name of the ancient Celtic Druid priests pagan god named Hesus (Latin) or Jesus (Latin dialect) for that of Yashu ben Panteri ... the illegitimate son of a mercencary Roman soldier employed by the Judean army and Miriam Strada (Mary in Latin), a relative of the ruling Levite priests family the Maccabbes (Greek) or Hasmodeans who was engaged to marry Papos (?) ben Judah.  It is claimed that Apollonius wrote the book of Hebrews in the Christian NT.  According to the Babylonia Talmud this Yashu went to Egypt to study and came back lead the people of Judea astray and he was hanged for practicing sorcery, allegedly after trying to get him crucified.  It is said that no Jew had ever head of this Jesus Christ when Costantine adopted Christianity as the official religion of the Roman empire back in 325 AD. - The Historical Apollonius Versus The Mythical Jesus By Dr. R. W. Bernard, B.A., M.A., Ph.D. (1964) - Apollonius of Tyana 



From: ROSETTA3211/15/08 10:19 PM 
To: BlackChoctaw  (77 of 137) 
 745.77 in reply to 745.65 

It was interesting to see so many fake photos on one page ... trying to promote the european Negro LIE that anyone with color in their skin is a Negro.  Which of course makes no sense, since it is NORMAL for all people to have color in our skin and abnornal for people not to have color in our skins.  Besides, the Negro is indigneous and peculiar to only europe, being descendant from Qayin/Cain via Yaphet/Japheth and a carrier of the gene for skin disease called vitiligo (leprous or described in the Holy Scriptures as "white as snow.")

This face to the  right apprears to be just another made-over NEGRO ...  only the european Negroes have such bone structure which cannot be cosmetically made over. ...





The following appear to be good examples of alleged fake photos  ... None of these faces appear to be descended from the children of the Man or Ha'adam/Adam.  I seriously doubt if any could pass a male gender test ... having too many chromosome to be considered a human male... regardless of how their faces have been cosmetically made-over or the type of hair that have been implanted into their scalps.  When do these LIES stop?

"     The writer, explorer-anthropologist and photographer Carleton S. Coon (1904-1981) in the 1950s has photographed the and published the following pictures of two men from Yemen showing some Negritoid, resp. Veddoid physical traits. Photographs of of such people from the Yemen are extremely rare...."

Yemeni Negritoid

"Arab" man

Negrito of the Great

Andaman group

Andamanese Negrito

of the
Jarawa group (1960s)


Yemeni Veddoid





From: repenting (JUPITER117)5/11/08 12:56 PM 
To: BlackChoctaw unread  (78 of 137) 
 745.78 in reply to 745.29 

"wow i'm stunned cause I recieved an email saying that only the people on the Rolls will be considered not by DNA or Family records. This law is different from anyother land or country. Generally if you have recorded truths of you're heritage that would be enough." - BlackChoctaw

Let's not forget that White supremacy/racism played a big roll (no pun intended) in the way these lists were put together. I think if DNA were considered (something many "Natives" fight), you would find that there is more "Native American" DNA running through the veins of the average Black American than the White "Natives" who live on (and off) those reservations and claim themselves to be "Native". Of course, many "Natives" will tell you "it's not about Black or White; we don't consider anyone a 'Black' or 'White' Native". Ignore that. That'ss a convenient way for them to avoid the subject of what has permeated this hemisphere since the White arrival on these shores - white racism/White supremacy. No one's been immune and it doesn't benefit Black people to remove that obvious influence from the conversation or as a factor when we are looking at how groups 'evolved' in the United States over the past 200 years.

Not to mention, in many treaties, Native American tribes were rewarded for 'distancing' themselves from Blacks; and, those who did not, were penalized. The same government that encouraged this anti-Black behavior and penalized tribes that did not comply, was also responsible for adding people to the Dawes Rolls. We can only guess how much of an 'effort' they made to add more Blacks to these Native American tribes when their intention was to Whiten them.

Edited 5/11/2008 12:57 pm ET by skywalking (JUPITER117)

  • Edited 5/11/2008 12:59 pm ET by skywalking (JUPITER117)

From: ctj20105/12/08 11:51 AM 
To: repenting (JUPITER117)  (79 of 137) 
 745.79 in reply to 745.78 

Good morning,  poster...

And,  welcome to our forum,  such as it is...

I. e.,    it has seen better days,   far more contributors,  etc.,   and was merely meant to be an archive,   at this point...

But let's move on anyway!



A few have come to the same conclusions as you have too...


What is the real issue and problem for any mixed blood of black and indian ancestry:

How to how their african ancestors and also be true to the traditions et al of the indigenous people we have shared ancestry with?

Then,   too,   I can only speak of (not much about) the first,  and more about the second...

The Gullah Geechies (among others)  did (or do) manage to hold on to the traditions of their African ancestors:

Others aren't!

So we really do need to keep that in mind (whenever any of us identifies ourselves as being the descendants of any people--here/there/everywhere)...


Take care...




From: ctj20105/13/08 10:41 AM 
To: repenting (JUPITER117)  (80 of 137) 
 745.80 in reply to 745.78 

Good morning...

And hello again!

But,  candidly and honestly,  any past or recent attempts,   i. e.,  for us of mixed race/black-indian mix to come together in our best interests,  has been plagued with a number of setbacks?

In particular:

The continuing efforts of one so called Oklahoma 'nation'--whose elected officials are more or less interchangeable with their white bigoted and racist counterparts elswhere--and who run doubletalk when it comes to them trying to defy a treaty meant to compesate the formerely enslaved black folk their ancestors did harm to--hence their attempts to purge those other folks descendants from 'their'  nation--is a case study that race and racism continues to put our folk in a unique--though uneviable--siuation...

My and the and more to the point?

In a idea world:

All men and women are our brothers and sisters...

In the real one:

We must face up to the way things are!

From the North to the South to the East:

We need and should want to unite with those we do have something in common with...

As in?

Those who have shared african and indigenous roots...

So I invite those folk from the Shinnecock to the Black Seminoles etc. to contact me and us via this forum...

Or do contact me directly:

Let us take care of home first:

Then the rest won't be as difficult (or impossible)...


Take care...




From: Coconut Queen (JEANNE2469) DelphiPlus Member Icon5/15/08 5:52 PM 
To: repenting (JUPITER117)  (81 of 137) 
 745.81 in reply to 745.78 

I've been researching genealogy for about 8 years now and this has branched out to an interest in researching history.  Based on my experience with genealogical and historical research, my opinion is that the Rolls are not an accurate documentation, and that is an understatement.  There were far too many Native Americans who were not registerd - for a variety of reasons.

White people of European and British ancestry are used to dealing with written documentation and believe that if documentation isn't written down, it's not valid.  What most people who are not familiar with societies that had an oral instead of a written tradition is that societies with an oral tradition were very careful about the accuracy of what they passed down from generation to generation.

I live in Hawaii and know that before the Hawaiian language was translated into a written languge, they had a long history of an oral language.  There were certain people who were designated to be the keepers of the knowledge.  They were chosen while they were still very young children and trained from the time they were very young to remember what they were taught from the prior generation word for word.  When they got older, then they passed that knowledge down, word for word to younger people who had been trained from childhood for their roll as keepers of the history.  Once chosen for this role in society, it was not taken lightly.  So I know they were very careful about the accuracy and passing it on correctly.




From: ROSETTA3215/15/08 10:54 PM 
To: Coconut Queen (JEANNE2469) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (82 of 137) 
 745.82 in reply to 745.81 

           o  coconnut queen says:  White people of European and British ancestry are used to dealing with written documentation  ...What most people who are not familiar with societies that had an oral instead of a written tradition...


Where did you get this nonsense from?  Can you name some societies that allegedly never had any "written tradition" ...?  that is before the so-called "white people of Europe and British ancestry" invaded and burned their towns and libaries -- like the invading northern Huns (a Yaphetite people, who are falsely referred to as "Chinese" in european media) did when they invaded China (Qina, named after their 1st emperor Qin Shi Huang) about 200 BC and have ruled over these Shemitic peoples ever since.

    And aren't the so-called "White people of european and British ancestry"you are referring to are actually the GERMANS or the ancient Almaigns? ... headed by the Franks (French) invaded from the north of europe to over-run the Roman empire in the south of europe with their cosmetically disguised allies/seed of the serpent/nachash as footsoldiers...  and are referred to in all their "written documentation" as the Visigoths, the Ostrogoths, the Vandals, the Burgundians, the Lombards, and the Franks ....?  And the so-called "white people of ... British ancestry" that you are referring to are actually the German tribes of the Saxons, Anglos, and Jutes (now called Danes of Denmark) who migrated from Germany into the Celtic lands (British Isles) of the Britains, ... as did the Franks migrated into the Celtic lands (ancient Gaul <now called France after the Germaninc Franks>) and migrated into Celtic Belgium and northern Celtic Spain... bringing their cosmetically made over allies the seed of the serpent/nachash and HIV with them, decimating the female populations wherever they invaded.  The Germanic Anglos renamed Britain after themselves calling it Angland, now spelled England ... and subdivided the Celtic British Isles into Scotland and Ireland (where Irish is the name the Romans called the Scots) ... and eventually shipped out all the indigenous Celts to the Caribbean Islands and Africa where they live today -- falsely calling themselves "Africans" under orders from the Germans ... whose empire stretches eastward through Austria (Germans) and was once called the Prussian empire.   The real indigenous African peoples (of Racham/Cham or Hamitic ancesry) are NOT Negroes -- Negroes are europeans, descended from Yaphet, son of Qayin/Cain ... and are "white" either because they suffer from the skin disease vitiligo or they have cosmetically removed the color from their skin (artificially induced vitiligo) to look "white."  And aren't the Germanic Anglos from England the very same people of Angola ...? also falsely referring to themselves as "Africans" as do the conquered Celtic people whom they shipped there; and have succeeded in taking over nearly the entire continent of Africa from the descendants of Racham/Cham or Ham who are the real indigenous Africans.

 ... Angola’s 13 million people. (John Donnelly/ Globe Staff) > <

BTW, couldn't find any pictures of real indigenous Native Americans of Iroquois Shemite ancestry to post... even in the female group called "Ulali"  the alleged Tuscarora females show signs of cosmetic surgery, with non-Shemite Native American noses and much too wide chins. Shemite-Iroquois are the people the western europeans have been cosmetically making themselves over to resemble and their footsoldier allies/seed of the serpent -- as these northern Iroquoian-Shemites have light skin, long and straight hair, narrow noses and high cheek bones, with thin lips.   As I said before -- fakes have the wrong bone-structure to try and pass off for Shemitic peoples.

  • Edited 5/15/2008 11:03 pm ET by Rosetta321

From: ctj20105/16/08 12:24 PM 
To: ROSETTA321  (83 of 137) 
 745.83 in reply to 745.82 

I've seen some awfully old or recent phoos and of oher than forebears or descendants of the so called FCT nations members:

So,  you relating it all not ancestors or forebears who mated or married who had or have black and indigenous ancestry,  bu instead to cosmetic surgery,  etc.,  is the worst sort of revisionist b. s. I've ever have had to challenge or dispute,   since I started posting on the message boards!

Your viewpoints are not my views:

Your views aren't anybody's who ever did or do post on this forum...

We don't impose ours on you...

I ask you stop trying to do likewise...



From: stormshaddow5/18/08 2:22 PM 
To: BlackChoctaw unread  (84 of 137) 
 745.84 in reply to 745.27 

"the umbilical cord has been cut from Africa a long time ago and I think we need to move on and connect with who we really are."


Well said!


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