HWPeeler (HPeeler)

It is the bible I don't believe in.

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I can accept the possibility of a god of creation. Jesus was a nice guy, but probably a con man. It is the stories of the bible I do not believe in. It is obvious men wrote these stories, not a god. It is not that god does not exist, but rather man does not know god. If man does not truly know god them all religions are just the fantasies of people. When man can say with certainty where and how the universe came from nothing we may have a better understanding of god. When man can explain WHY we evolve and HOW consciousness comes from non-living matter we may have something. As long as we cannot explain how consciousness works and where memories come from we have to admit there is more to reality than we know of.

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People studied alchemy.

Started Mar-19 by HWPeeler (HPeeler); 320 views.
HWPeeler (HPeeler)

From: HWPeeler (HPeeler)

Mar-19

Once upon a time "scientists" studied alchemy. They wrote discourses on it. Honored each other for their accomplishments and saw no flaws in their thinking. Is this any different than "studying the bible"? We write books on the "proper interpretation" of the passages, claiming scholarly works. This is a philosophy of nonsense. Until politicians, scientists and social leaders expose it as such we will be stuck with it.

BigT33

From: BigT33

Mar-25

The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. It seems as though you have either lost all your wisdom or possible never had it in the first place. If you would study the scriptures with an open mind, instead of having the attitude of,( don't confuse me with the facts my mind is made up,) you might find the one and only God will take the time to reveal Himself to you. My prayer is that you will seek Him and stop denying Him. May God, the Father of Jesus Christ, have mercy on you and open your eyes to the truth. 

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HWPeeler (HPeeler)

From: HWPeeler (HPeeler)

Mar-25

BigT33 said:

The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

No, it is not.

Wisdom does not come from studying myths or believing they are real.

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RGoss99

From: RGoss99

Mar-28

Actually the study of nature, e.g. reality, is the beginning of wisdon, ignoring nature in favor of supersitition is the a primitive extension of ignorance. However, within the Bible there is a solution in the two great commandments, because they are not about supersitition. The first "love God" can be interpreted as love nature because that is the only evidence we have af the concept of God. The second, treat others as you would wish to be treated, is the only workable solution to interactions between humans. Everything else that does not fit within these two,  under the guise of organized religion is B.S.

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HWPeeler (HPeeler)

From: HWPeeler (HPeeler)

Mar-28

Love of nature as god is acceptable in my opinion. Love of nature includes love of the sciences as the methods of creation. The Golden Rule, agree also.

RGoss99

From: RGoss99

Mar-28

In all peoples who have, or at one time had, a god in their culture, the entity was simply a catch all to deal with that part of nature which they did not understand at a point in time, so they invented a god, or gods, based on their own image and likeness to fill that gap. e.g. alchemy to them was no different then what we call its arabic derivitive, chemistry, a system fort dealing with nature. The problem for many in our so called sophisticated culture, is many fail to realize, that through science the context has changed, making their original concept as much unfounded superstition no different then the confusion between historic alchemy and today´s chemistry. Some of the unscientific solutions to specific human problems worked in a specific context, so they became written in stone and hard wired into specific cultures, such as the churched in America.

The role of women being an obvious one, to the point that in dealing with such, those who would put them down have been ignoring the facts for centuries.

While I never consciously bought into that prejudice, elements of it were brainwashed into me by the culture in which I was raised. For Christmas I got toy trucks, my sisters got dolls. Conclusion, therefore men drive trucks, women raise babies. I always thought of my self as anti machismo, but found a new reality when my live in girl friend was one of the first subscribers to Ms. magazine. As a teacher, I got home and the mail first, my girlfriend as a nurse, got home later. This meant I had read her Ms before she did, and discovered all sorts of things about builtin prejudices which are common knowledge now, but not at that time. So when my school got its first female principal, instead of laughing at a poster in the men´s room, I quietly tore it down and trashed it. I am sure you have seen versions of "decline and fall" in this case it only had footprints starting with cave men, and ending in high heeled shoes (ignoring the fact that our new principal wore flats, but when out of the office she wore tennis shoes.

On market days, today, I give historic and artistic tours of our ancient church. In one of its 21 chapels, is an example of this sort of brainwashing. This is the chapel of the Crucifixion, and the alter panel is a "Pieta". You are probably familiar with the famouse one by Michaelangelo, which by tradition shows Mary holding the recently crucified Jesus in her lap. However in this scene, the "camera" has pulled back some to show Mary Magdaline, Martha, John, Nicodemis, Joseph of Aramathea, all mentioned as being there in the Bible. Two factoids. If a single Jewish man dies, his mother buries him, if married, his wife buries him. In the Bible, Mary Magdaline, not Mary his mother buries Jesus. If one reads Jesus´s teachings there is no text that puts women in second place (these come from Paul - who never met Jesus and Paul´s background is the same OT sources that put Muslim women in second place). Besides, if Jesus war born as a man, it would be natural for him to have a wife, and having one, would not detract in any way from his message (Paul´s problem again - sex is dirty - Jesus never mentioned the subject). From the time of Paul´s arrival until 300 years after christ there was an internal struggle in the churtch about the role of women (shut up, obey your husband - finaly won at that time, which is the earliest reference to Mary Magdaline as a prostitute. You see Paul could not make her go away because she is in the Bible, so if she could not be Jesus´s wife, she had to be a prostitute, because what was she doing acting like a groupie in all those scenes. In Medieval ikonography Mary the mother is shown in blue, where-as Mary Magdaline was shown in red - because of her "special relationship with christ (e.g. the only named woman with a biography in the Bible). As a result of the a.d. 300 decision, red has become the color of prostitutes, red light districts etc. And even in my life time there have been documented cases of charges of rape thrwn out of court because the woman wore red, had a short skirt, so she obviously goaded the man into rape. This is a current issue regarding two incidents of female passengers not allowed to boad planes for leggings, and a while back where an airplane did not take off until a woman was chucked off the plane for publicly exposing herself (e.g. nursing a baby, while sitting in the rear seat next to the window.

Rather strange story here. We had a top of the line winery, the ventner had two children the boy was supposed to take over from his father, and the girl was sent to university where she studied classics. Because, unlike her idiot brother, she was educated, she had no problem catching up with her brother in learning the trade, but she also had ideas, new kinds of wine, updated lables, international export, up to date equiptment, and turning large parts of the ancient celler into a theatre where she sponsored wine tasting along with concerts, plays, etc. Obviously, she was getting above herself, so the brother caused a split between her and her father and she was out of the business. That is OK, because under our constitution of 1238, womenare equal to men, don´t lose or add a name on marriage, and have an equal share of the property inherited. So she took her share of her diseased mother´s assets, including land, and opened up her own winery. Father is ritired, and her brother is broke, so the historic winery is vacant, and she is leasing more land from her brother and making a fortune, because she no longer had to compromise with his interference and foot dragging. What has made her strong and capable is not only as an intellectual, e.g. nerd, the local boys did not find her inteesting, but she married a fellow university student who has his own carreer and business. One day, at my local an Englishman got into a conversation with me, and it came out that he was an international wine importer, and had just come from a meeting at the new winery. One comment got to me though. He said customs are really different here. Why so, I asked. He said that he has been in this business for over 40 years and this morning was the first time he had ever had a business conference with a woman who was nursing her baby at the same time.

HWPeeler (HPeeler)

From: HWPeeler (HPeeler)

Mar-28

Thanks for sharing that.

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Cindy4Jesus

From: Cindy4Jesus

Apr-1

Amen, very to the point and the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. :-)

HWPeeler (HPeeler)

From: HWPeeler (HPeeler)

Apr-1

Cindy4Jesus said:

fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

I must be missing something. Please explain the reasoning that led you to that conclusion.

Cindy4Jesus

From: Cindy4Jesus

Apr-1

When you see all of Revelations revealing everything God said (will you believe then)?

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