I can accept the possibility of a god of creation. Jesus was a nice guy, but probably a con man. It is the stories of the bible I do not believe in. It is obvious men wrote these stories, not a god. It is not that god does not exist, but rather man does not know god. If man does not truly know god them all religions are just the fantasies of people. When man can say with certainty where and how the universe came from nothing we may have a better understanding of god. When man can explain WHY we evolve and HOW consciousness comes from non-living matter we may have something. As long as we cannot explain how consciousness works and where memories come from we have to admit there is more to reality than we know of.
I've never taken much of any substance from the book. There was debate in the early centuries as to whether it should even be included in the canon. Martin Luther wanted it left out when he did his German translation of the bible, but wound up placing it in an appendix at the end. Pretty much anything can be read into the writing, and evangelical end-timers love it. My own feeling is that the fanciful tales contained in Revelation are about events which have already happened, or were happening at the time the book was written. This is the position of a Roman Catholic booklet titled Getting to Know the Book of Revelation. There the author states quite simply, the book is not a collection of future events due to occur in our time.
Pretty agreeable on Revelations.
HWPeeler (HPeeler) said...There is no "heavens" above the Earth.
Do you mean there are heavens on the Earth...
Heaven and hell all around us.
HWPeeler (HPeeler) said...Heaven and hell all around us.
Yes Heaven is all around us and even the Moon and such but graves are around us when we visit the dead in the cemetery. you are getting better but keep in mind if one is speaking from the Bible it talks about three Heavens and three Hells but the word Hell is a very poor translation.
I find no value in trying to reference the bible myself. I can talk about it as a subject but has no value to me. It is like discussing Superman or Star Trek. The bible just doesn't relate very well to reality.
Some think of it as a moral reference. Many books could be used better. I do not think it is God's words. Men wrote it, no doubt.
Mac Hansen (Mac4Yuma) said:
the word Hell is a very poor translation.
Very difficult to translate old languages. Even current scholars of the old language will differ on definitions. We lack a dictionary or lexicon relating to the time and location the text was originally written. "God" does not provide us with these things. In all the ancient writings we have found there has never been a dictionary. Moses didn't leave us one. Jesus didn't leave us one. 2,000 years removed our translations are nothing more than our preferences.
most feel like you do and I see no problem with such but still some try to change others and that is wrong but sometimes they just wont stop bothering people.