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Content per Space ratio has been a useful metric for me. As has differentiating speculations, imaginings, beliefs, knowing, learning, etc.
Obama Founded ISIS SACRCASM!
Donald J. Trump tried to quash the latest controversy engulfing his campaign, suggesting on Friday that he was not serious when he said that President Obama and Hillary Clinton were the "founders" of the Islamic State terrorist group.Read more from Nytimes
Well, the fact is he is NOT the Founder. But he has been the Chief Enabler. He sent thousands of tons of war materiel to "freedom fighters"... who were ISIS ... before it called itself ISIS.
Then, in Lybia, The pResident and Ankles Clinton shipped thousands of shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles to "freedom fighters". When it became public knowledge in the international Intelligence world that they were being transferred to ISIS and Al Queda, Ambassador Stevens was sent to try and buy them back. Instead, he was raped to death by a mob of movie critics.
So, yeah, it was not strictly factual. But The pResident IS the godfather to ISIS... Ankles Clinton is the wicked stepmother. ....And Trump has a smart alec...
There is no doubt our policy has been a disaster from the onset. Problem now is are there any realistic steps that can get us out of the mess.
'Godfather' is the wrong term I think, it implies purpose and devious planning. I don't believe anyone planned ahead.
well ... there are some looking for that final conflagration ...
Gunter, old pal... I thought calling him the "godfather" of ISIS was courteous on my part. He reminds me more of Gollum after his release from Mordor... Promising allegiance to Sauron, then to Frodo, and betraying them both. Because that is what traitors do.
Remember his first "Grovelfest Tour"? Who was the first head of state he bowed to? Not the first heads of states he visited... He bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia. It was the nephew of King Saud, Prince Ala Waleed who, along with old-time civil rights activist Percy Sutton and Prince Ala Waleed's bag man Khalid al Mansour got the man who attended Occidental on a foreign student scholarship into Harvard Law.
At that point he was being a faithful servant to his sovereign. Of course he warned us in his own "auto"-biography..
He is a fraud and not a citizen. His African Grandmother told the press that she attended his birth in Kenta...and was subsequently never allowed to talk to the press or public, again. His citizenship at the madrassah in Indonesia said he was Indonesian and his religion was muslim. He attended Occidental on a foreign student scholarship, as I mentioned earlier.
He has a social security number that belonged to a very old French immigrant who died intestate in Hawaii and whose personal belongings.. including his Social security card went to the Hawaiian State Office where Obama's granny worked, for disposal. The SS card number was for Connecticut... where The pResident never lived or worked.
Yeah... I guess I am a "birther"... in that I believe that Presidents ought to be citizens.. And I belief he is a Saudi mole..
Sorry - I'm just not buying into these elaborately constructed conspiracies which make no sense to any logical thinking with many individual points having been adequately shown to be figments of creative imaginations over and over again. Do you really want another thousand post rebuttal on repetitive arguments? It's not something I want to rehash yet again. I'm much more interested in where we go from here.
We need to find a way to deal with all of us. In a world of limited available resources there is still plenty to around though it may mean some have to give some to spread the basics and not relying on arbitrary standards to leave people in the dust. Supply and demand needs to take into account that were all human beings demanding basic decencies.
Our basic difference seems to be that I understand that there will never be perfect fairness. And I think America needs to worry about Americans, first. Our economy has crashed. In shipping jobs offshore to support other nations, we now have the lowest rate of employment in decades.. And the rate of "underemployment" is stunning. Part-time jobs...jobs not commensurate with ability and education... The highest number of food stamp recipients in history. Kennedy put a man on the moon. Obama has put a man in the ladies room.
America's official unemployment rate is a pretty healthy 5.3%. Ignore that, Trump and Sanders say.
Sanders told a huge crowd at his recent rally in Portland, Oregon that "real unemployment" in America is over 10%.
Trump, never one to be outdone, has been saying real unemployment is "anywhere from 18 to 20%." He calls the official statistic "full of nonsense."
Residents in five neighborhoods of New York City, Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Cleveland awoke to discover a life-sized, naked Donald Trump statue in their midst. The five identical statues were erected simultaneously at around 8 a.m. ET on Aug. 18 and tweets about the sculptures began almost immediately.Read more from The Daily Beast