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Gunter, you are blaming people that have nothing to do with any of these evil, mentally deranged murderers. If you removed every single gun from every legal law-abiding gun owner, what do you think the criminals and the mentally deranged would do? They won't give them up, and the cops can't or won't do much about it. If they can't do anything about these criminals and deranged murderers now, removing the guns from people that would never hurt another human, won't change that. The only differences is the criminals will rule the day.
In Mexico, they took the right of the citizens to own guns. The cartel now rule the day. The cops are either paid off by the cartel, or dead.
There are a lot of drunk drivers that kill thousands every year. Why would we make laws against alcohol, and go back to the prohibition. Why should law-abiding citizens give up their wine, for the criminals, when the criminals will still get alcohol. When I lost a friend to drunk driving, I didn't blame the beer, I blamed the driver. And, I didn't blame all those that like their beer, because of a drunk driver.
It makes no sense. You can't take away from the good, and expect the bad to turn good. It won't happen.
You're blaming innocent people for what criminals do, and will always do.
If someone is breaking into my home, I would have to call the police. Men with guns, to come rescue me. The criminal would be inside my home, long before the police got there. I'd rather stop the criminal before they harmed me, and then call the police.
Police will always tell you, most times, when they arrive at a home invasion crime, they are there to clean up the mess. If the home owner couldn't defend themselves, they are the mess. If the home owner did defend themselves, the criminal is the mess.
Where am I blaming people that have nothing to do with the problem. You seem to be stuck on law abiding citizens while I keep agreeing they're not the problem.
Just think if the manufacturers made sure that the weapons they sell went just to responsible people instead of producing them beyond any reasonable demand. The NRA and manufacturers oppose any restrictions.
I think the opioid disaster came up before. Opioids are beneficial when used correctly but not the way they were being dumped. There are some lawsuits in the works using that example which may make the gun manufacturers more responsible but I'm not optimistic.
I'm Sorry, so many blame the law abiding, and the gun itself, I ass'u'med.
Anyway, it's the same as going after the corporations that makes alcohol. Unless they are selling it out of their back doors to criminals, it's not really their fault that criminals get a hold of their alcohol.
When I was 18, I could pass for 21. I could walk into any liquor store and buy what I wanted. And I did. :D
Was that the corporations fault. Of course not. Should there have been restrictions on them because some minors could pass for 21 and bought their product. Of course not. That would be silly. Same thing for any product, regardless what the product is.
They've had this stupid 'war on drugs' since, what Nixon? All they did was take a small problem and turn it into a huge problem.
We don't need more regulations, the ones we have aren't working anyway. We need to get these woke propagandist teachers out of the schools, that teach children what to think, instead of HOW to think. We need to go back to educating, not brainwashing. Brainwashing is causing so much mental illness in these kids, ** along with the pharmaceutical drugs many of these kids are forced to take from very young ages...
Thank goodness the majority of kids don't cross lines, major ones anyway.
Edited to add **
"That baby had a gun ... He pointed at me and said, 'Look what I got, ha ha,'"
A man was arrested in Beech Grove, Indiana, after video was shown on live TV of a toddler, reportedly the man's son, waving and pulling the trigger of a handgun.Read more from CNN
Well, out of 350 million'ish people in this country, I know we have at least a million that are as stupid as stupid gets.
Or maybe 2 million...
Probably more then that. I think you and I are just being nice. :D
Way too true. I think the number is much higher -- 4 out of 10?!
Killer and motive not known yet.
There was scant information on the suspect: Male and still at large. There is no known motive, nor a description of the shooter. The mass shooting was one of California's worst in recent memory.Read more from Los Angeles Times
Made the news in England and Germany as well. I flagged/kept seven MSM links on it, four USAn. Curious that a nearby incident may be related; one report of a car leaving, ... . Expect the coverage to continue for a while in spite of any muzzling by authorities.