Zo (Arcanumist) said:

With that being said, gun-control laws are at an all time high and have not resolved our problems with gun violence.

Bush not renewing the ban on "assault type weapons" had nothing to do with today's carnage?

Trump rolling back background checks had nothing to do with today's carnage?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/02/28/trump-sign-bill-blocking-obama-gun-rule/98484106/

Trumps public comments and rantings have nothing to do with today's carnage?

There are lots of reason for today's carnage, Trump is not helping the situation.

We may realize we are all simply dancing around the real issue.

What was at the root of the assault weapons ban was the definition of an assault weapon vs.the outward appearance of the weapon. Hence, is it a military automatic weapon, or a similar looking weapon as a semi-automatic? An error in definition can cause an honest person to be labeled a criminal.

It is hoped we can rise above emotions and apply definitive information to our laws.

Likewise, whether an elected official, or a citizen at the grass roots level, we are in need of a greater amount of intelligence than mere emotional outbursts.

Having worked with the mentally ill, mockery does not assist any solutions toward a normalcy of behavior.

We have more than enough gun laws. A person intent upon an action that exceeds the realm of common sense is not concerned with laws. Laws will never stop the carnage we are witnessing.

We need to eliminate mental illness and agree on the right path of moral integrity for all mankind.

 

Can impossible goals be achieved? Yes, as nothing (no thing) is impossible. It just takes longer to achieve the impossible dream.

When it comes to changing the behavior of the human race, we will be altered by a greater civilization of intelligent beings. The crisis apparent in our society has taken us closer to chaos and extinction than ever before.

For human beings to be accepted as participants in a greater sphere of the universe, we need to be assisted in our evolution. With, or without our pemission, our destiny will be made manifest.

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• Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.

• Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

• Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

• Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

• Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

• Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

• Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

• Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

• A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

• Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

• A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

• Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

• TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

• Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

• James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

• Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

• Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

• Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

• Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

• Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and m

We should lose our rights to defend ourselves because of these types of people?

 

 

 

 

Don't know what they did to be on the list but I'm sure if we didn't have the glut of weapons brought to us by the NRA and the weapon makers along with the gun culture, sensible weapon controls, many of those events  wouldn't have happened to begin with. This particular mayhem happens only in the US of A at this alarming rate.

Criminals will always get weapons, always.  Look at Mexico.  Guns have been outlawed for years, yet the cartel all are well armed, making the citizens helpless.  The cartel rule the citizens of Mexico, and they rule with an iron fist.  There are 1000s of cases where law abiding citizens here in the states, stopped criminals in their tracks, because they were able to defend themselves.  Yet, those never make the news, never.  Did you ever ask yourself why is that?  Also, most all, if not all, criminals that have guns are against the 2nd Amendment, ya ever wonder why?

Law abiding citizens are not to blame for what a criminal does.  If your next door neighbor robs a liquor store, you should suffer the consequences because of another?  The NRA is not to blame for what a criminal does.  No more then a baseball company is to blame when someone uses a bat to murder.  Pharmaceutical drugs kill more Americans that guns do, and they're legal.  And they tell you right on the package in one sentence what it will do for you, and a paragraph, or two, of how it will harm and possibly kill ya.  Yet everyone lines up to get their prescriptions.

Every time there is a shooting, they use it to go after the law abiding citizens rights.  We know exactly what they are up to, and it will not work.  However, they never go after the real reason these crazy, insane kids are murdering innocent people.  It's the pharmaceutical drugs they are on, that say right on the insert that they can cause suicide and murder.  But then again, look at who pays the mainstream medias bills, the pharmaceutical corporations...

I often wonder why these murderers don't try this at a shooting range, instead they stroll into a place that is a 'gun free zone'.  They might be insane, but they ain't stupid, right?