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I wasn't sure which forum to post this one to.
Your personal world is that which sits your ass down at the keyboard to express your thoughts. All things you imagine are included. Your self, gods you imagine, demons, memories, thoughts ... such is what makes up your personal world. This personal world shares time and space with the physical world.
Your personal world cannot influence mine unless we communicate. If I come to believe the same things you do these things can effect mine. If you share your thoughts about god or economics and I come to believe them we share an apparent concept. If we had never met and not talked your personal world has no influence on mine. We may share time and space but spiritually we are separated.
Any concept of god you imagine is only powerful in your personal world. This god did not create the universe except in your imagination. Assuming there is some god of creation it existed before there was a you. So this god of creation is not the one in your imagination. You are incapable of comprehending the real god, if there is one. Your religion only exists in your imagination.
The physical world evolves life. Given the assumption ... the physical universe exists because god causes it. A big assumption, yes. Life from lifelessness exists because god causes it, but life itself is not god, nor is the physical universe. If there is a causal force god it exists outside the physical universe and is beyond our observation. Define god any way you want here. I use the term as a causal force like gravity or magnetism that manifests the physical world and consciousness (spirit). I can not support a god like a being as the bible implies. This is man creating a god after his image.
Is consciousness (spirit) the result of evolution of the material substance? Certainly there was a time when there was the material world only. Is it necessary for life to exist? If conditions are favorable life spawns from lifelessness. Very simple life forms at first. Dinosaurs did not grow from pond scum. Scum came first, probably in multiple forms. Over millions to billions of years evolution created plants and single cell life forms. Followed by multi-cell life forms. Why? Why evolve at all?
A variety of water creatures evolved. Not just one critter but many of various complexity. Each of these evolved. Some evolved lungs and crawled out of the water. Why? Did lungs form for no reason? This step also had to come in many versions.
These various land creatures evolved into more complex creatures. Why?
Nothing similar to a human existed yet. Somewhere back in history there was an ancestor to both modern apes and mankind. Apes (monkeys and all) and mankind evolved differently. Somewhere over this long period modern mankind evolved to read and write. No other creature does. Other creatures evolve but only mankind writes books. Why?
How many times can you damage DNA and have the result improve. Not just survive but improve. Coincidence or the hand of some causal force at work? A god.
I don't see mankind having just one start. All out of Africa? Probably, yes, but not just once.
As mankind spread across the world his environment changed him one way or another. By 4,000 BC there were cities and mankind had foot set on most (all ?) continents.
Now assuming there was a god of some kind behind all this god would be aware of mankind's history. This history conflicts with that mentioned in Genesis. Mankind of the time of Moses to Jesus was unaware of the history of mankind modern science knows. It seems obvious that no god of creation had any influence in the bible.
So is there some causal force or god involved in evolution? Did mankind evolve just by chance? Is this just coincidence that mankind's consciousness evolved?
If this evolution is predictable under given conditions would the same laws of evolution apply on some other Earth-like planet? Would life on another planet look like Earth mankind?
If we visit another Earth-like world would the creatures of the same planetary age look similar?
Well said, isn't this what the social media was created for, sharing thoughts without imposing them on everyone?
"A variety of water creatures evolved. Not just one critter but many of various complexity. Each of these evolved. Some evolved lungs and crawled out of the water. Why? Did lungs form for no reason? This step also had to come in many versions."
Some still have traces of these lungs, I know of a woman, she can dive in water and remain swimming in water for at least six to seven minutes without scuba gear and still feels fine when she comes up!
Hey, welcome to the forum. I was more trying to define who we are versus the physical world for religious types that imagine they have a soul. But your analong is god.
Wow, I have a hard time holding my breath for 20 seconds for MRI scans.
Apparently this diver sucks up air before diving and releases it very slowly and getting it back from her diving snorkeling gear ...
Thank you for your welcome...