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I don't believe in god because ...

Started Nov-5 by HWPeeler (HPeeler); 447 views.
HWPeeler (HPeeler)

From: HWPeeler (HPeeler)

Nov-5

Finish this sentence, please.

ABOVEITALL

From: ABOVEITALL

Nov-6

No god claims have ever been shown to be true.

aia

HWPeeler (HPeeler)

From: HWPeeler (HPeeler)

Nov-6

Welcome to the forum and discussion.

Also agreeable. No description of a god has been proved to be true. This ignores the human gods, Caesars, and such.

We are limited to beliefs when it comes to gods. We can not prove there is not a god and the arguments for there being a god are poor. How did the universe get started otherwise? What makes life from lifelessness save god?

ABOVEITALL

From: ABOVEITALL

Nov-6

Did the universe "get started?" I don't think we have a solid answer for that question yet. Perhaps matter and energy have always existed in some form.

As for life from lifelessness, why assume an elusive supernatural spirit is required for this to occur? Why couldn't life emerge from lifelessness through entirely natural processes?

aia

Weasel (poptardo)

From: Weasel (poptardo)

Nov-9

I don't believe in God, because it was shoved down my throat all my life, everywhere I went - thus I though this guy is so damn fake-news that this is the only way to get him a life.

I WON'T BUY IT!! blush

HWPeeler (HPeeler)

From: HWPeeler (HPeeler)

Nov-9

Welcome to the forum. Yours is not a rare attitude. I agree I just don't buy the stuff that is presented as religion. The stories just don't resonate as truth to me.  It is the religions I can't believe in. Is there a god of some kind? I'm not sure one way or the other. We still have unanswered questions. Where did the universe come from? Why does it have life?  If every effect must have a cause such questions have no cause. Over the years I went from atheist to "I don't know".

Weasel (poptardo)

From: Weasel (poptardo)

Nov-9

Does things have to be create by ''one'' entity, or everyone contributes just a tiny-bit to make something happen?

"We don't know" either even Mikio Kaku the Japanese physicist said it as well!

HWPeeler (HPeeler)

From: HWPeeler (HPeeler)

Nov-9

"We don't know" is an honest response but it is not an answer since it offers no cause for the obvious effect.

Weasel (poptardo) said:

Does things have to be create by ''one'' entity, or everyone contributes just a tiny-bit to make something happen?

No, "one entity" is not required. Everyone contributes to evolution, for example. No god is necessarily required. But this des not apply to creation of matter from ... what? Where did the universe come from initially?

An "entity" is not required. God can be a causal force no more conscious than gravity.  I only suggest that this causal force of creation is beyond our perception but must exist from putative logic. Because there is a universe there must be a cause. Because there is life from lifelessness there must be a cause. Such a causal force of creation fits the definition of god, not necessarily an entity as the bible speaks of. We can no more petition it with prayer than we can gravity.

"It always existed"? Another response that does not give a cause for the effect. What energy keeps the universe running? At every step in the operation of the universe energy is consumed or expressed. We either have to claim it is perpetual motion at work or suggest a god behind it. Both answers are bad, but there should be an answer, a cause to the effect. We are stuck with a god we cannot otherwise describe. No specific description, no name. Only a putative possibility, not a belief.

Weasel (poptardo)

From: Weasel (poptardo)

Nov-9

Let's say there was an explosion, and every bit of that explosion that got into a spark created some form or shape of life as we call it, maybe there's another name to it.

Thus this shows every bit made its own form in different shapes, life, organism, existence and in harmony in teamwork, it became something great to be admirer.

I'm a musician, not a scientist, but - I know that when I play alone nothing much sounds great, if I don't have my drummer, my base guitarist, violin, trumpet, harp...  ect...

Look at an orchestra, and look how many musicians play in it to create one great song, this is how the Universe might be sparkling with stars.

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HWPeeler (HPeeler)

From: HWPeeler (HPeeler)

Nov-9

Weasel (poptardo) said:

Let's say there was an explosion,

An explosion is an effect with a cause. If we assume something exploded to start the universe what was it that exploded and what caused the explosion?

An event is an effect (a result) with a cause. Everything that happens must have a cause. If you point out a result there must be a cause. If you point to an event (the universe comes into existence) there has to be stuff that it was before and a force that caused it.

Guitar strings do not vibrate by themselves. There has to be a pick or finger and some force has to move it.

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