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1 John 1:5

Started Nov-9 by HWPeeler (HPeeler); 337 views.
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From: HWPeeler (HPeeler)

Nov-9

Re: 1 John 1:5

(about Jesus being god and god being light)

A good attitude I can't fit into reality. Thankfulness is also a good attitude, but to what god?

Yes, god is light. Okay, I understand that but I have not resolved that such a god is Jesus.

Yes, I understand being thankful for creation and life, but I am unsure of how to describe that god. I think it IS, I'm just not certain of a name for it. The Jesus story just does not resonate of "light". Jesus was a "wonder working rabbi" as I read the story. One of many in history. His works were a show, a ruse. The Greeks made him a god after their fashion.

Jesus imagined himself a leader and would-be king. Reality hit him on the cross when Israel abandoned him. When he said "why have you forsaken me" he was talking to Israel. In reality he led only a few.

I get a different story than Christians when I read the bible.

(about Jesus being god and god being light)

A good attitude I can't fit into reality. Thankfulness is also a good attitude, but to what god?

Yes, god is light. Okay, I understand that but I have not resolved that such a god is Jesus.

Firstly do you believe the scripture? If so, then we can work from that, if not then we can work from that as well. 

<<A good attitude I can't fit into reality. Thankfulness is also a good attitude, but to what god?>>

For me it will be God the Father "Yahweh" even Jesus tells us this. For you it might be different. 

Mark 10:18 

King James Bible
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

<<The Jesus story just does not resonate of "light". Jesus was a "wonder working rabbi" as I read the story. One of many in history. His works were a show, a ruse. The Greeks made him a god after their fashion.>>

How do you define light?

You mentioned that his works were a show. I tend to disagree with that rather based on the below.

Matthew 5:1

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HWPeeler (HPeeler)

From: HWPeeler (HPeeler)

Nov-13

Do I believe scripture?

No. If you refer primarily to the New Testament I think it is a story about a rabbi that would be king but never made it. The story was taken by the Greeks to create a myth about a son of god A Greek concept, not very Jewish.

"Light" to the poet is knowledge and understanding that brings wisdom. Not superstition.

 New Testament references quoted have nothing to do with wisdom or light.

Isaiah 9:6

How does that apply to Jesus?

Franki 7775 (franki7775) said:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Good and agreeable so far. But this god is El. When they rewrote the bible they changed the name and description  of god. The interpretation was modified to apply to Christianity. A big example, In the original text Elohim creates Adam. That is the children of the god El. This is a Canaanite god and Canaanite story. Christians interpret that as the father, son and holy ghost.

If the bible is god's word you must use the original text. KJV, NIV and all are flavored toward Christianity and thus the works of men, not god.

 Perhaps you will understand it if you follow the Jewish lineage from Adam to David and from David to Jesus (but you will most probably not get to the conclusion if you dismiss the NT as gibberish.) 

Isaiah 9:6 again. 

For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace .

This directly refers to Jesus. Who do you see when you look. 

Jesus came to restore what the first Adam lost through disobedience by dying on the cross.  

Looking at Isaiah 7:14 

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Immanuel (Hebrew: ???????????‎ meaning, "God with us"; also romanized Emmanuel, Imanu'el) is a Hebrew name which appears in the Book of Isaiah as a sign that God will protect the House of David.

Another scripture which points to Jesus being God with us. 

Who was the virgin? Who did she conceive?

HWPeeler (HPeeler)

From: HWPeeler (HPeeler)

Nov-13

Who else? Any of the future kings of Israel following Isaiah, around 750 BC. Way too early to be talking about Jesus.

Don't you think if it such a great happening as that, that God would have recorded it, and so it has been recorded and points to Jesus (The word made flesh.) 

<<Way too early to be talking about Jesus.>>

Prophecy means to foretell (so it is something that ought to happen after the time that it was spoken {prophesied} , whether it takes one day or a thousand years to happen.)

Back to the question. Who was the virgin? 

HWPeeler (HPeeler)

From: HWPeeler (HPeeler)

Nov-13

Franki 7775 (franki7775) said:

Who was the virgin?

The Greeks were big on god going with human women. Lots of sons of god, daughters too. Virgin births? No big deal.

But the idea is very foreign to Jews. So a son-of-god story just doesn't get accepted by Israel at the time of Jesus.

Only the fools of Israel were impressed by the acts of Jesus. Religions and kings knew better.

God didn't write the book. Men did and it is filled with man's foolishness.

God makes trees. No foolishness there.

If you dismiss the entirety of the NT then there is absolutely no way to convince you. You have to take the word in its entirety and that is the problem. Joseph in the Old Testament speaks of Jesus, Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc... however if you exclude the latter part you won't be able to see the connection.

Even the book of Revelation speaks of Jesus,  but if you dismiss the NT then you lack Revelation. 

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