Thank you so much Patti!!! I think I have chucked the idea of manipulation. If I never got beyond where I am now, I could still function fine. I need to be able to get in and out of boats, kayaks and canoes.....haven tried yet but I am pretty certain I could. LOL...I can always fall out of the kayaks and plop into them so no worries there. I need to hike and did tat yesterday over boulders and logs, through the forest and beach so I think I am good to go and I know I will have more improvement as the year goes by. Each day, depending on how much I work it, my knee swells just a little and can't get it around the bike pedal but I can each morning and it's getting just a hair easier. If my doc were close, I might go for the manip but it would involve two ferries and two flights to get there, a couple weeks at the mother in laws and then the same coming back...nope, at this point, I am not going to do it. I love this sight...it helped me so much 12 years ago and again this time. I hope I can be of some comfort or help to someone as well sometime....will stay on for a while. Thanks again, Patti, for taking the time, it does encourage me to know I am not doing so bad.