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Jeri (azpaints)

From: Jeri (azpaints)

Jul-16

I agree, I cannot fathom saying 1) this s a hoax or fake news; or 2) the departments of health in 30+ states are deliberately exaggerating the numbers to scare people.  
 

When did the USA become home to the National Society Of Conspiracy Theory's?

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk

Jul-16

How quickly we forget.  60 million Americans got H1N1 and the administration at the time did nothing except stop testing so there weren’t any good numbers to talk about in the news.

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Showtalk
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From: Showtalk

Jul-16

And here in Politico.  An official in the health care front  spoke 2014 spoke about the mess They made of H1N1 and said that he and his colleagues handled it very well.

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Showtalk
Staff

From: Showtalk

Jul-16

Lest anyone think I’m blaming Biden, I’m not. I’m pointing out how futile it is to blame a politician for a viral outbreak.

MerlinsDad

From: MerlinsDad

Jul-16

jeri says:  "When did the USA become home to the National Society Of Conspiracy Theory's?"

The earliest I remember was after Kennedy was assassinated and before the Warren Report came out, and I don't that Society has slowed down yet,  They even have a celebrity member in a guy who used to be a reality tv actor.

jeri says: "I agree, I cannot fathom saying 1) this s a hoax or fake news; or 2) the departments of health in 30+ states are deliberately exaggerating the numbers to scare people."

YOu can't help but wonder if a) she has an idea at all of what's going on in the world; b) she watches FOX TV; c)  she believes what the man of 20,000+ lies says; e) she had trouble coping with reality all of her life; f) she has any idea how Trump's miserable failure to cope with reality has contributed to the severity of the pandemic nationwide, even in Utah; g) all of the above.


 

Jeri (azpaints)

From: Jeri (azpaints)

Jul-16

I'm not blaming DT for the virus, I'm blaming him for ignoring experts and bad leadership.

Jeri (azpaints)

From: Jeri (azpaints)

Jul-16

You might reconsider your example.  60 Million cases of H1N1 and estimates of 12,000 - 18,000 deaths, depending on sources.   A wee bit of difference from 135,000 deaths from Covid.
 

 From the CDC:

CDC Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Influenza Cases, Hospitalizations and Deaths in the United States

During the pandemic, CDC provided estimates of the numbers of 2009 H1N1 cases, hospitalizations and deaths on seven different occasions. Final estimates were published in 2011. These final estimates were that from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010 approximately 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (8868-18,306) occurred in the United States due to pH1N1. These final estimates are available at: Estimating the burden of 2009 pandemic influenza A (H1N1) in the United States (April 2009-April 2010)External Web Site Icon, Shrestha SS, et al., Clin Infect Dis. 2011 Jan 1;52 Suppl 1:S75-82.

Below are links to the different estimates published, including the final estimates. 

April – October 17, 2009 Estimates
April – November 14, 2009 Estimates
April – December 12, 2009 Estimates
April 2009 – January 16, 2010 Estimates
April 2009 – February 13, 2010 Estimates
April 2009 – March 13, 2010 Estimates
Final Estimates Published in May 2011External Web Site Icon

Jeri (azpaints)

From: Jeri (azpaints)

Jul-16

Deflecting attention from the rise in COVID-19 cases, President Donald Trump has repeatedly said the Obama administration “stopped testing” during the H1N1 pandemic. He’s correct that individual reporting was halted after a few months, but some testing did continue — and the two viruses are very different, making the comparison misleading.
 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/07/trump-misleads-on-h1n1-swine-flu-testing/

MerlinsDad said:

I'm really beginning to wonder if there is any reliable information about each state's coronavirus status

It's probably like the telescreen's blathering on about the production of pig iron and the Times' figures on the tens of millions of boots produced, which bears no semblance as to how many boots, if any, were actually produced. (from "1984")

"Winston, however, in rewriting the forecast, marked the figure down to fifty-seven millions, so as to allow for the usual claim that the quota had been overfulfilled. In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot. And so it was with every class of recorded fact, great or small. Everything faded away into a shadow-world in which, finally, even the date of the year had become uncertain."

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