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Should instructions to mobs on how to remove statues be published in detail?   The Serious You: Politics

Started Jun-20 by $1,661.87 in cats (ROCKETMAN_S); 5008 views.
$1,661.87 in cats (ROCKETMAN_S)

Poll Question From $1,661.87 in cats (ROCKETMAN_S)

Jun-20

Should instructions to mobs on how to remove statues be published in detail?
  • It is the magazine's First Amendment right0  votes
    0%
  • They shouldn't because it encourages the practice8  votes
    50%
  • They shouldn't because if they kill themselves, they bring it on themselves0  votes
    0%
  • They should to encourage the destruction of whatever offends them0  votes
    0%
  • They should to keep criminals safe while destroying property0  votes
    0%
  • They should give dangerous and unsafe instructions to teach survivors a lesso...1  vote
    6%
  • They should also teach how to make explosives and build bombs.0  votes
    0%
  • More than one of the above4  votes
    25%
  • Obligatory other3  votes
    18%
It is the magazine's First Amendment right 
They shouldn't because it encourages the practice 
They shouldn't because if they kill themselves, they bring it on themselves 
They should to encourage the destruction of whatever offends them 
They should to keep criminals safe while destroying property 
They should give dangerous and unsafe instructions to teach survivors a lesso... 
They should also teach how to make explosives and build bombs. 
More than one of the above 
Obligatory other 
In reply toRe: msg 1

Here's what inspired this:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a32870657/remove-statue-science/

and ...

https://www.foxnews.com/media/magazine-mocked-how-to-guide-on-taking-down-statues-without-getting-hurt

... Last week, a protestor was reportedly seriously injured when part of a statue in Portsmouth, Va., came crashing down -- but the magazine seemingly wants to make sure it doesn't happen again.

imho - if they get crushed or killed while committing acts of destruction of property or terrorism, then they brought it upon themselves. Kind of like that infamous footage from a couple of decades ago where some rioter set fire to an American flag, and in the process spilled fuel on himself and did a Richard Pryor freebase accident re-enactment.

"When you go running down the street on fire, people get out of your way" - Richard Pryor (Live on the Sunset Strip)

https://people.com/archive/richard-pryors-tragic-accident-spotlights-a-dangerous-drug-craze-freebasing-vol-13-no-26/

<sarcasm> Unauthorized statue removal 101. First, statutes aren't very heavy, especially the bronze kind. The taller the pedestal, the lighter the statue is because that is how they got it up there so high. When pulling it down, stand directly under it, as you can just catch it as it falls. </sarcasm>

In reply toRe: msg 2

Protesters tear down statues of Union general Ulysses S. Grant, national anthem lyricist Francis Scott Key.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/503685-protesters-tear-down-statues-of-union-general-ulysses-s-grant-national

...  Protesters in San Francisco on Friday toppled the statue of former President Grant, who led the Union Army during the Civil War, in Golden Gate Park.  San Francisco police said that approximately 400 people gathered around 8 p.m. to take down the statue, though no arrests were made, according to NBC Bay Area.  Also torn down in the park on Friday were the statues of St. Junipero Serra and Francis Scott Key, who wrote the lyrics to "The Star-Spangled Banner."

Time to start using social media images and geolocation tools to identify those tearing these things down.. Let them think they have gotten away with it, and build airtight cases that can bring a mess of slam dunk convictions, and then a few weeks or months later, choose a time and place when they are not surrounded by a mob and take them into custody. And also start holding them "jointly and severally liable" for the damages, maybe at the federal level if cities or states are impotent at holding them accountable.

Jeri (azpaints)

From: Jeri (azpaints) 

Jun-20

I agree with your last paragraph- arrest them when safe, prosecute and seize assets for cost of damages.  

I bet that the professional agitators who are funding this are gonna be really unhappy with the asset forfeitures, especially the well heeled folks behind the scenes who might even face RICO type action (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations.

Because it's the work of many people, there's a bunch of other laws drafted to shut down Mafia and drug cartel types that might also be possible to bring to bear, maybe even terrorism charges in some instances.

Some of those think they're being big and tough tearing down statues now - might sing a different tune once they find themselves potentially facing decades behind bars and bankruptcy. And some of those who have been egging them on might even find themselves facing the kind of charges usually reserved for cartel kingpins such as El Chapo.

eta. The magazine itself, by publishing such stuff, could even potentially find themselves held liable as well.

Showtalk
Staff

From: Showtalk 

Jun-20

That is a good plan.  People can be angry, but destruction is costing everyone and is potentially dangerous.  So far there are 17 confirmed deaths due to the riots.  

Showtalk
Staff

From: Showtalk 

Jun-20

The people who end up arrested are probably just angry and caught up in the moment.  They didn’t fund or plan it.

MerlinsDad

From: MerlinsDad 

Jun-20

Perhaps a phone number to call the crane would be more appropriate.

Showtalk said:

The people who end up arrested are probably just angry and caught up in the moment. They didn’t fund or plan it.

That's the reason to quietly identify all of those players, but then examine footage and media posts to specifically identify the instigators, the ones that incited the mob at the scene.

Then go after the ringleaders, come down hard enough on those few to make an example out of them.

That's often rather effective, especially if one or two who led the way end up arrested, tried, convicted, and get handed down a very stiff sentence. Then in the press conference, kind of hint that "other investigations are pending". Even if none of the rest are indicted, it would keep the rest looking over their shoulders for the rest of their lives.

Or just indict the rest right before the statute of limitations is up, but plea those down to something with community service and anger management with probation for a while so they have to keep their nose clean.

MerlinsDad said:

Perhaps a phone number to call the crane would be more appropriate.

"Fly Bye Knight Crane Company. Cash Only. For all your illegal statue removal needs. Call 867-5309. Ask for Jenny"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WTdTwcmxyo

"All our operators are trained but license was revoked"

No legitimate crane company would touch an illegal removal with a ten meter cattle prod.

Fly by Night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEVDZl5UvN4

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