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Should instructions to mobs on how to remove statues be published in detail?   The Serious You: Politics

Started Jun-20 by $1,661.87 in cats (ROCKETMAN_S); 5580 views.
MerlinsDad

From: MerlinsDad 

Jun-20

Cute.

The city or county could have a contract with Fly Bye Knight as they do with the company which hauls one car away if illegally parked.  That way the statue could be safely stored until the next time it's needed.

But unlike an illegally parked car, this is rioters destroying statues with no authorization to do so. The city might have some outfit to do "rescue archaeology" the next morning, of whatever was left, and haul the remnants to some secure area, but that' a whole other thing than a proper legislative process to remove one from a public place.

Then some of the ones destroyed were on private property, which technically is felony criminal mischief.

Showtalk
Staff

From: Showtalk 

Jun-21

Yes, I doubt many will get actual jail time.

MerlinsDad

From: MerlinsDad 

Jun-21

If they're going to pull it down, the city or county or state at least ought to provide them with a crane service to do it right.  There would be less damage to the statues and to onlookers

Jeri (azpaints)

From: Jeri (azpaints) 

Jun-21

I often get an attack of "oppositional behavior"...aka teenage behavior.

what about removing all statues erected to celebrate any general of the civil war, north or south.  Move all the Union statues to the south, and all the confederate statues to the north.  (Looking innocently around).

MerlinsDad said:

If they're going to pull it down, the city or county or state at least ought to provide them with a crane service to do it right. There would be less damage to the statues and to onlookers

If they're going to "lawfully" pull it down with proper authorization, then the city or county or state resources would be used to do it right. When it's a  howling mob just toppling a statue like a rioting mob uprooting the goalposts after a major football game in the 1960s or 1970s, no outfit with any sense of civil liability exposure is going to touch that kind of thing with a ten meter cattle prod. I know people who regularly work with things like radio towers and other lifting jobs, and they say there's no way any of them would expose themselves to a lawsuit by participating in such a thing.

Then since these are unauthorized and thus illegal activities, not only would a crane resource be fully exposed to any civil liabilities but also criminal liabilities for aiding and abetting (and materially participating in) a fairly serious crime that ranks up there pretty close to arson in seriousness.

They'd be out of business in a heartbeat. Same with city or county - they aren't going to aid and abet in a criminal destruction of public or private property just because a howling mob wants a statue gone "right now, tonight". All that kind of stuff has to go through channels and all the proper legal I's must be dotted and T's must be crossed, agreements signed, and all that stuff.

MerlinsDad

From: MerlinsDad 

Jun-21

That might work.  Most of them are pretty boring. I doubt that many would even notice the switch

MerlinsDad

From: MerlinsDad 

Jun-21

I worry about people being hurt.  There must be a good way to prevent the destructors from being injured in the process since you insist that we can't make cranes available to make it safe.

Jeri (azpaints)

From: Jeri (azpaints) 

Jun-22

FOFLMBO,  I couldn't that's for sure!

Showtalk
Staff

From: Showtalk 

Jun-22

Good idea,  I wondered wat they would do with any that aren’t destroyed.  Are they still valuable if they offend people?  Wouldn’t there still be protests if they are moved?

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