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Should the word Mother be replaced with Birthing Person?   The Serious You: How Current Events Affect You

Started 6/8/21 by Showtalk; 2529 views.

From: WALTER784 


Showtalk said...

This one doesn’t make sense.

Well, non-politically, neither does political correctness!


Meriana said:

No, the word Mother should not be replaced. To do so is, in my opinion, demeaning, and disrespectful.

Bingo. That's a winner.

The thought Police have finally over-reached, hopefully far enough that a lot more people can see the slippery slope they have gone down.

Showtalk said:

Older people won’t learn it or remember it, but if all children are taught different words and usages in school, eventually they will be speaking an entirely new language.


‘Don’t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. Every concept that can ever be needed, will be expressed by exactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten. Already, in the Eleventh Edition, we’re not far from that point. But the process will still be continuing long after you and I are dead.  Every year fewer and fewer words, and the range of consciousness always a little smaller. Even now, of course, there’s no reason or excuse for committing thoughtcrime. It’s merely a question of self-discipline, reality-control. But in the end there won’t be any need even for that. The Revolution will be complete when the language is perfect. Newspeak is Ingsoc and Ingsoc is Newspeak,’ he added with a sort of mystical satisfaction. ‘Has it ever occurred to you, Winston, that by the year 2050, at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we are having now?’

... and then the lesson on what is really behind the woke political correctness of today.

‘Except ——’ began Winston doubtfully, and he stopped. It had been on the tip of his tongue to say ‘Except the proles,’ but he checked himself, not feeling fully certain that this remark was not in some way unorthodox. Syme, however, had divined what he was about to say.

... what the woke radical left really thinks of us - substitute Prole for Redneck or Patriot and there ya go - pertient in 2021 as it was in the more dystopian timeline a few decades earlier.

‘The proles are not human beings,’ he said carelessly. ‘By 2050 — earlier, probably — all real knowledge of Oldspeak will have disappeared. The whole literature of the past will have been destroyed. Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Byron — they’ll exist only in Newspeak versions, not merely changed into something different, but actually changed into something contradictory of what they used to be. Even the literature of the Party will change. Even the slogans will change. How could you have a slogan like “freedom is slavery” when the concept of freedom has been abolished? The whole climate of thought will be different. In fact there will be no thought, as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinking — not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.’

...and eventually they eat their own.

One of these days, thought Winston with sudden deep conviction, Syme will be vaporized. He is too intelligent. He sees too clearly and speaks too plainly. The Party does not like such people. One day he will disappear. It is written in his face.

Meriana said:

When all the politically correct stuff began, I said it could, and eventually would, affect our freedom of speech. Demanding that word contained in documents be changed, that a single person should be referred to with plural pronouns so as not to hurt his/her feelings, and that words used in everyday language be omitted in favor of whatever the "woke" people insist on is definitely affecting freedom of speech.

Just like the passage from "1984" by George Orwell in the conversation between Winston Smith and Syme about the Eleventh Edition of the Newspeak Dictionary.

WALTER784 said:

Again, what they claim they want is inclusion but in fact what they're actually doing is excluding everybody else! The exact opposite of what they claim. And until everybody else becomes like them... (miserable nobodies)... they won't stop pushing for what they want.

See the quote from "1984" about Newspeak.

Demented Ol Lady Shorty (TOILETHEA1) said:

That is part of the problem today, lack of tolerance for others. I've lost "friends" who didn't like my views on whatever.

And eventually, they will not be "woke" enough for their comrades, and like Syme in "1984", eventually the radicals will turn on them too.

Unquestionably Syme will be vaporized, Winston thought again. He thought it with a kind of sadness, although well knowing that Syme despised him and slightly disliked him, and was fully capable of denouncing him as a thought-criminal if he saw any reason for doing so. There was something subtly wrong with Syme. There was something that he lacked: discretion, aloofness, a sort of saving stupidity. You could not say that he was unorthodox. He believed in the principles of Ingsoc, he venerated Big Brother, he rejoiced over victories, he hated heretics, not merely with sincerity but with a sort of restless zeal, an up-to-dateness of information, which the ordinary Party member did not approach.

Yet a faint air of disreputability always clung to him. He said things that would have been better unsaid, he had read too many books, he frequented the Chestnut Tree Cafe, haunt of painters and musicians. There was no law, not even an unwritten law, against frequenting the Chestnut Tree Cafe, yet the place was somehow ill-omened. The old, discredited leaders of the Party had been used to gather there before they were finally purged. Goldstein himself, it was said, had sometimes been seen there, years and decades ago. Syme’s fate was not difficult to foresee. And yet it was a fact that if Syme grasped, even for three seconds, the nature of his, Winston’s, secret opinions, he would betray him instantly to the Thought Police. So would anybody else, for that matter: but Syme more than most. Zeal was not enough. Orthodoxy was unconsciousness.


From: Showtalk 


People can read those books, so how do they miss the impact?


From: dayothomas 


great article!!

Showtalk said:

People can read those books, so how do they miss the impact?

Intellectual laziness? Not as interesting and engaging as the echo chambers of Facebook and Twitter? A belief that books are for old people who don't know how to use modern technology and still think it's 1955?


From: Alfi (THIALFI) 


And speaking of Mary (though I'm not Catholic), there is this line from the "Hail Mary" prayer:
"Holy Mary, Mother of God..."