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Started 6/30/21 by Showtalk; 11281 views.
Showtalk
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From: Showtalk 

8/5/21

That is not completely true.  Everyone has an angle.  Yes, vaccines aren’t 100% or foolproof but it’s still a small percentage and the cases are mild.  I know of four people who got Covid after vaccination.  They got over it very quickly. I know two in their 20s who got Covid twice.  They were not vaccinated since they had it once, but they got the variant.  The doctor told them they are likely now highly immune to future cases.

I saw a young adult I know who had Covid for 5 weeks 17 months ago and still has health problems.  This person got vaccinated, and said it’s a terrible disease that no one should ever want to get.

WALTER784

From: WALTER784 

8/6/21

Showtalk said...

Yes, vaccines aren’t 100% or foolproof but it’s still a small percentage and the cases are mild.  I know of four people who got Covid after vaccination.  They got over it very quickly. I know two in their 20s who got Covid twice.  They were not vaccinated since they had it once, but they got the variant.  The doctor told them they are likely now highly immune to future cases.

So per Fauci's science... even though they've had COVID twice... and the doctor told them they are likely now highly immune to future cases... they should get the vaccination... and the vaxers will still push them to get vaxed and bad-mouth and dox them if they don't!!! Go figure. What ever happened to our freedom of choice?

BTW... Did you know that getting a vaccination passport is suppressive and discriminatory?

Showtalk said...

I saw a young adult I know who had Covid for 5 weeks 17 months ago and still has health problems.  This person got vaccinated, and said it’s a terrible disease that no one should ever want to get.

Yes, there are a few cases like that but they are rare.

Showtalk said...

That is not completely true.

It was true in each and every locale where those statistics were collected. It may not be that way in all locales, but it was for those which the report was made.

Showtalk said...

Everyone has an angle.

Yes, except nobody on the left wants to except my angle that I don't need the vaccination... even though it's my angle and my freedom of choice! However, most people on the right feel that it should be my choice whether to get vaccinated or not. And it's only the left who send hate speech for those who don't want to get vaccinated. Those on the right don't send hate speech for either those who want to get vaccinated, have already gotten vaccinated or for those who don't want to get vaccinated!

FWIW

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From: Showtalk 

8/6/21

There should be exceptions for people who have had covid twice. Again, they need a way to test for antibodies.  Wouldn’t you want to know if you have them?

WALTER784

From: WALTER784 

8/6/21

Showtalk said...

Again, they need a way to test for antibodies.  Wouldn’t you want to know if you have them?

If there were a way to test for antibodies... yes... but there is no way to test for that now.

They can only test if you are positive... with a lot of false positives and whether you've had it in the past... and not really sure whether that's accurate either.

As such... I'm not interested in them jabbing me with anything until a proven way has been confirmed.

Showtalk said...

There should be exceptions for people who have had covid twice.

There should also be exceptions for those who don't want the vaccination... for what ever reason... religious, medical or otherwise!

FWIW

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From: Showtalk 

8/6/21

Actually I know several people who had antibody tests so I’m not sure why you say there aren’t any.

WALTER784 said:

Tell me now... where is the science in this? It sounds only like political science without any proof. You're likely to get COVID regardless of whether you've been vaccinated or not. You're gonna be a COVID spreader if you get it regardless of whether you've been vaccinated or not.

Infection severity and likelihood vs vaccination status are coming from doctors working the ICUs and local hospitals. At ORMC in Odessa, Texas, they have had zero admissions among those who are vaccinated. Every single one as of last week was unvaccinated.

Numbers are similar at Midland Memorial Hospital, but with one.

The friend of mine with the breakthrough infection said they said he's pretty much over it, but he gets to stay home for another couple of weeks and then get a PCR test done to see if he's still infectious. And they did sequence his case and confirmed it's the Delta variant.

There probably are a few percent of the vaccinated who got breakthrough infections that are asymptomatic, and the lion's share of those are the Delta variant, where the time and effort was done to actually sequence their viral sample.

Most who are vaccinated and don't get a massive load of exposure, don't develop Covid. But it's like wearing a rain coat. It might keep you dry in a normal rainstorm. If you are hit with a hurricane force wind and rain falling at a foot per minute, you're gonna get wet. If you are vaccinated but go to that packed concert, you have a much greater chance of getting exposed to enough virus to break through the defenses.

Sort of like in a war. A few Nazi troops going up against a whole division of Allies are not going to be a problem. But then you have a huge push, and you might have a Battle of the Bulge. It takes a lot more to fight the invasion back.

Showtalk said:

I saw a young adult I know who had Covid for 5 weeks 17 months ago and still has health problems. This person got vaccinated, and said it’s a terrible disease that no one should ever want to get.

Probably those who have had the disease and then gotten vaccinated, have had their immune system primed an extra bit for any future exposure. No one really knows how long vaccination or even having had the disease conveys immunity or reduced susceptibility, but compared to various other disease histories in the past, it's pretty effective, with far lower risks from vaccine reactions than many others in the past.

The actual vaccine is just a masquerade protein spike patterned after the virus. A doctor here compared it much to the "wanted" posters on the post office walls in the old days - to prime people to be on the lookout for the bad guys - or the enemy aircraft and ship identification silhouette books issued to troops, so they can man the guns more quickly when something is spotted on the horizon, and thus be ready with them in their sights, and able to open fire before they can inflict too much damage.

WALTER784

From: WALTER784 

8/6/21

Antibody tests offered today only test for 1 single COVID germ within your entire body. 1 single germ could have been inhaled, but never infected you what so ever... but that 1 single germ itself is detected and thus they say you've had COVID in the past.

They don't know how many parts per hundred or per thousand or per million germs are in your body. They also don't know what the average number of germs are for one is actually affected... (i.e. not just 1 single germ, but a quorum of xxx COVID germs before one actually shows symptoms). 

So yes and no... they can test for either positive or negative... but that positive doesn't mean that you've had COVID and gotten over it... it just means that they've diagnosed at least 1 (or perhaps more) COVID germs in your body but even then, they cannot tell you how many COVID germs they're detected. Only whether you had it in your body in the past or not.

That is not a REAL antibody test.

FWIW

WALTER784

From: WALTER784 

8/6/21

$1,661.87 in cats (ROCKETMAN_S) said...

Infection severity and likelihood vs vaccination status are coming from doctors working the ICUs and local hospitals. At ORMC in Odessa, Texas, they have had zero admissions among those who are vaccinated. Every single one as of last week was unvaccinated.

Numbers are similar at Midland Memorial Hospital, but with one.

The friend of mine with the breakthrough infection said they said he's pretty much over it, but he gets to stay home for another couple of weeks and then get a PCR test done to see if he's still infectious. And they did sequence his case and confirmed it's the Delta variant.

There probably are a few percent of the vaccinated who got breakthrough infections that are asymptomatic, and the lion's share of those are the Delta variant, where the time and effort was done to actually sequence their viral sample.

Most who are vaccinated and don't get a massive load of exposure, don't develop Covid. But it's like wearing a rain coat. It might keep you dry in a normal rainstorm. If you are hit with a hurricane force wind and rain falling at a foot per minute, you're gonna get wet. If you are vaccinated but go to that packed concert, you have a much greater chance of getting exposed to enough virus to break through the defenses.

Sort of like in a war. A few Nazi troops going up against a whole division of Allies are not going to be a problem. But then you have a huge push, and you might have a Battle of the Bulge. It takes a lot more to fight the invasion back.

Israel is reporting something entirely different:

"95% of the severe patients are vaccinated". "85-90% of the hospitalizations are in Fully vaccinated people." "We are opening more and more COVID wards." "The effectiveness of the vaccine is waning/fading out" (Dr. Kobi Haviv, earlier today on Chanel 13 @newsisrael13)

?"95% of the severe patients are vaccinated". "85-90% of the hospitalizations are in Fully vaccinated people." "We are opening more and more COVID wards." "The effectiveness of the vaccine is waning/fading out" (Dr. Kobi Haviv, earlier today on Chanel 13 @newsisrael13 ) https://t.co/SpLZewiRpQ? / Twitter

FWIW

WALTER784 said:

Antibody tests offered today only test for 1 single COVID germ within your entire body.

They run it through too many PCR amplification stages. That has been a problem since the beginning.

Allegedly if they suspect an active infection now, they let it run for many fewer stages, maybe around 14 to 16 doubling steps less, which requires between 16,384 to 65,536 Covid viruses to trigger a positive test.

With Delta infections producing a load of 1000x or so of whatever prior strains would produce, the less sensitive set tests are going to have a more reliable detection if someone is really infected.

They're learning.

And now they aren't bothering to test unless there's symptoms or a need to be sure one isn't infected.

So nowadays, more of the positive tests are real positives, and far fewer false positives.

Then antibody tests, which are quite specific, are useful not only to tell if someone has been infected in the past, but also if they have been vaccinated, since the vaccine itself introduces a fake virus look-alike to trigger antibody production in anticipation of future virus exposure.

A positive antibody test is very much like a positive tuberculosis test. It means you have been exposed to something that triggered antibody production. Then a test for the virus distinguishes a vaccination or prior infection versus an active infection.

And if there is an active infection, there has to be more than one virus to get enough to sequence the genome to identify the strain.

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