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Food for thought: Democrats vs Republica   Knock Knock - Off Topic

Started Jun-19 by WALTER784; 222 views.
WALTER784
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From: WALTER784

Jun-19

Food for thought: Democrats vs Republicans
 
Every Democrat presidential nominee since 1984 went to law school (although Gore did not graduate – Biden was at the bottom of his class).  Every Democrat vice presidential nominee since 1976, except for Lloyd Bentsen, went to law school.  Barack Obama was a lawyer. Michelle Obama was a lawyer.  Hillary Clinton was a lawyer. Bill Clinton was a lawyer.  John Edwards is a lawyer. Elizabeth Edwards was a lawyer.  Look at leaders of the Democrat Party in Congress: Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer is a lawyer.  Former Senator Harry Reid was a lawyer.
 
The Republican Party is different.  President Trump is a businessman.  President Bush 1 and 2 were businessmen.  Vice President Cheney was a businessman. Reagan was a Hollywood star. President Eisenhower was a 5 star General.
 
The leaders of the Republican Revolution: Newt Gingrich was a history professor.  Tom Delay was an exterminator.  Dick Armey was an economist.  Ex-House Minority Leader John Boehner was a plastics manufacturer.  The former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is a heart surgeon.  Who was the last Republican president who was a lawyer?  Gerald Ford, who left office 31 years ago and who barely won the Republican nomination as a sitting president, running against actor Ronald Reagan in 1976.  The Republican Party is made up of real people doing real work, who are often the targets of lawyers.  This is very interesting. I had never thought about it this way before.
 
The Democrat Party is made up of lawyers.  Democrats mock and scorn men who create wealth, like Trump, Bush, and Cheney, or who heal the sick like Frist, or who immerse themselves in history like Gingrich.  The Lawyers Party sees these sorts of people, who provide goods and services that people want, as the enemies of America .  And, so, in the eyes of the Lawyers Party, we have seen the procession of official enemies grow.  Against whom do Hillary and Obama rail?  Pharmaceutical companies, oil companies, hospitals, manufacturers, fast food restaurant chains, large retail businesses, bankers, and anyone producing anything of value in our nation.  This is the natural consequence of viewing everything through the eyes of lawyers. 
 
Lawyers solve problems by successfully representing their clients, which, in this case should be the American people. Lawyers seek to have new laws passed, they seek to win lawsuits, they press appellate courts to overturn precedent, and lawyers always parse language to favor their side. 
 
Confined to the narrow practice of law, that is fine. But it is an awful way to govern a great nation.  When politicians, as lawyers, begin to view some Americans as clients and other Americans as opposing parties, then the role of the legal system in our life becomes all-consuming.  Some Americans become adverse parties of our very government. We are not all litigants in some vast social class-action suit.  We are citizens of a republic that promises us a great deal of freedom from laws, from courts, and from lawyers.
 
Today, we are drowning in laws; we are contorted by judicial decisions; we are driven to distraction by omnipresent lawyers in all parts of our once private lives.  America has a place for laws and lawyers, but that place is modest and reasonable, not vast and unchecked.  When the most important decision for our next president is whom he will appoint to the Supreme Court, the role of lawyers and the law in America is too big.  When House Democrats sue America in order to hamstring our efforts to learn what our enemies are planning to do to us, then the role of litigation in America has become crushing. 
 
Perhaps Americans will understand that change cannot be brought to our nation by those lawyers who already largely dictate American society and business.  Perhaps Americans will see that hope does not come from the mouths of lawyers but from personal dreams nourished by hard work. Perhaps Americans will embrace the truth that more lawyers with more power will only make our problems worse. 
 
The United States has 5% of the world's population and 66% of the world's lawyers!  Tort (Legal) reform legislation has been introduced in congress several times in the last several years to limit punitive damages in ridiculous lawsuits such as spilling hot coffee on yourself and suing the establishment that sold it to you and also to limit punitive damages in huge medical malpractice lawsuits.  This legislation has continually been blocked from even being voted on by the Democrat Party.  When you see that 97% of the political contributions from the American Trial Lawyers Association go to the Democrat Party, then you realize who is responsible for our medical and product costs being so high.
 
FWIW
  • Edited June 19, 2022 6:56 am  by  WALTER784
Showtalk
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From: Showtalk

Jun-22

That is fascinating.  We don’t talk about presidents in terms of careers but it’s so obvious when you write it out.

WALTER784
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From: WALTER784

Jun-22

It is interesting... and also true.

Here in Japan, they say that Boston has more lawyers in their city limits than Japan has throughout their entire country!

And you also don't see any of the frivolous law suits brought up in the US going to court in Japan either!

FWIW

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From: Showtalk

Jun-23

We churn out lawyers in record numbers.  Isn’t it harder to get into any particular career in Japan?  They don’t just allow every college grad to go to law school. There aren’t enough spots in schools.

WALTER784
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From: WALTER784

Jun-24

Showtalk said...

We churn out lawyers in record numbers.  Isn’t it harder to get into any particular career in Japan?  They don’t just allow every college grad to go to law school. There aren’t enough spots in schools.

First of all, being a lawyer in Japan isn't as lucrative of a business as it is in the US. The Japanese bar sets the maximum fines allowable (within reason). 

Secondly, Japanese law is based around the older Feudal Lords and Shogunates of older Japan. It's history is quite old (thousands of years) and thus one has to go through 6 years of college just to graduate with a degree. But even with a degree, the actual number of lawyers needed are quite limited so many of those who have the degree become secretaries of other lawyers, assistants of lawyers, etc. but very few of them actually become real lawyers because there just isn't a big market for them. And for those who do finally become a lawyer, it usually takes 15 years or more working under one before they can actually become a lawyer themselves.

FWIW

 

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From: Showtalk

Jun-24

The profit angle. Or lack of one.  I wonder how many in the U.S. get into it because they love the law or because of the potential for income.  I can see where becoming a legal secretary because there are no jobs would be less appealing than doing anything else.  What about doctors? Is going to medical school also less attractive to students?

WALTER784
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From: WALTER784

Jun-24

Showtalk said...

What about doctors? Is going to medical school also less attractive to students?

There are many more doctors than lawyers in Japan. And thus it's a more lucrative prospect for future income.

Neuro surgeons and transplant surgeons are probably the highest paid. It still takes 6 years to get a doctor's degree just like for lawyers, but the field in much wider and broader and easier to find jobs in than for lawyers.

FWIW

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk

Jun-24

That also makes sense, as medical care is necessary where legal help can be avoided.

WALTER784
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From: WALTER784

Jun-24

Not to mention, you don't hear about frivolous lawsuits here in Japan because they're not brought up... and even if somebody tried to bring it up as a court case, the courts wouldn't accept it and ask that the problem be resolved via non-legal channels.

FWIW 

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From: Showtalk

Jun-25

Mediation is good for resolving disputes.

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