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Started Nov-6 by WALTER784; 698 views.
Dee (DLAINEDEE)

From: Dee (DLAINEDEE)

Nov-11

WALTER784 said...

The term "kill shot" is a "fear mongering" or "a scare tactic" word.

Good. :)  That's all the CCP owned left along with their media does, is fear monger and use scare tactics.  Might as well use their tactics back at them.  Look at all the horrible things they said about those that were against the lock downs, masks, and definitely against the shot.  They thought we should be locked up and killed.

If it's ok for the left, then it's ok for us Christian conservatives to call it what it is. :)

WALTER784 said...

We've also learned that the vaccine is not really a vaccine too.

We didn't just learn that, we knew from day one.  We knew before the fraud and death association approved it.  What we didn't know was, the first two FDA committees wouldn't approve it, so they fired them and got their yes men committee.

Millions around the world have already died, and hundreds of millions have been harmed, severely.  The people aren't going to drop dead all at once like the 10,000 cows did.  I do hope the real medical experts are wrong, because I know a lot of people, including family, that took it.

If only Americans, and people around the world, would have remember Fauci and the AZT  protocol, killing millions of homosexual men back in the 80s.  And our beloved Freddy.  The demonization and censorship of those great doctors that spoke out against Fauci's protocol.

I guess if it worked the first time, it will the second time.  And it did.  Fauci was made a high priest, and the masses bowed down to him and his protocol.

WALTER784
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From: WALTER784

Nov-12

Dee (DLAINEDEE) said...

WALTER784 said...

The term "kill shot" is a "fear mongering" or "a scare tactic" word.

Good. :)  That's all the CCP owned left along with their media does, is fear monger and use scare tactics.  Might as well use their tactics back at them.  Look at all the horrible things they said about those that were against the lock downs, masks, and definitely against the shot.  They thought we should be locked up and killed.

If it's ok for the left, then it's ok for us Christian conservatives to call it what it is. :)

That's what I refer to as stooping to their level. But I don't particularly care for using their tactics as it makes us no better than them.

Dee (DLAINEDEE) said...

Millions around the world have already died, and hundreds of millions have been harmed, severely.  The people aren't going to drop dead all at once like the 10,000 cows did.  I do hope the real medical experts are wrong, because I know a lot of people, including family, that took it.

Many of us hope that is not the case, but we don't have any long-term effects data just yet to say one way or the other.

Dee (DLAINEDEE) said...

Fauci and the AZT  protocol, killing millions of homosexual men back in the 80s.

We just don't have enough data on Covid at this time to say whether this is AZT phase II or not yet.

FWIW

Dee (DLAINEDEE)

From: Dee (DLAINEDEE)

Nov-12

Yes, they do have a lot of data on this shot.  A lot!

WALTER784 said:

everybody who didn't get the shot is going to die too... some time or another! (* CHUCKLE *)

I knew of someone who got the shot on a Tuesday. He died on Friday. The highway patrol said the other driver had a blood alcohol level of .283

I remember reading about mRNA (messenger RNA) a few years before Covid as a serious game changer in vaccine development, because rather than having to start with a live virus, which can take a very long time to make enough doses for some new "The Stand" scenario, that the gene sequence for the outer coat of a virus can be quickly replicated and gotten into a population.

Aside from how the immunoresponse bits are made - manufactured rather than grown - the body's reaction to it is the same.

So the real change was the time horizon, which meant that for the first time in human history it would be possible to actually get ahead of a pandemic for which there was no pre-existing immunity.

It then illustrated how some newly emergent virus, such as an illegal bioweapon escaped from a lab or deliberately released by a bad state or even terror cell, could scythe through the population in an age of global air travel, very quickly, and an mRNA vaccine might be the only thing that could save humanity. It went on to talk about the anthrax attacks of 2001, and how fortunately it does not spread from person to person like a respiratory virus but only from inhalation of spores and contact with breaks in the skin.

So mRNA research has been going on for quite some time. It required enough doubling of computer performance every 18 months to finally make gene sequencing and then gene printing and rapid synthetic replication of mRNA practical.

Essentially it's a sequence of instructions that can't reproduce on its own. It's tricky to get into cells, but then it just goes in, tells the cells to produce a specific protein structure, release that, then the mRNA breaks down and becomes inactive, the remnants becoming used as food, and it's gone in a few hours.

Meanwhile, the foreign protein structure wakes up the immune system as if it is a pathogen, to prime it for the actual pathogen should it be exposed to it later. Sort of like the bombing targets out here in the desert, made of painted rocks, to look like Nazi rail yards, gas works, Messerschmidt factories, naval shipyards, ships, submarines, etc. That trained pilots how to bomb and strafe targets.

The mRNA vaccines create a hollow replica of the specific virus - whether it's Covid, the seasonal flu, etc.

The same article went on and said that mRNA makes it possible to change vaccine instructions on the fly to respond to unexpected strains of influenza and even the common cold, which could put the days of public schools being rapid Petri dish exchanges of every imaginable disease, as a footnote of history.

It also described in some detail why these vaccines, precisely because they are synthesized, are far less likely to trigger severe adverse reactions due to the extremely narrow and relatively pure foreign protein that mimics the pathogens, and no risk of actual pathogen being left functional (incomplete kill of the virus) in the shot, something that has happened with tradtional vaccines.

Thus in a nutshell - speed, rapid scalability, safety, and specificity are the hallmarks of an mRNA versus a traditional incubated vaccine.

Covid simply provided the first situation for which an mRNA could be deployed on a very wide scale, providing a rather broad test of its effectiveness.

What was learned is, it prevents infection entirely among a high fraction of recipients, and while not totally conveying absolute immunity, greatly reduces the severity and duration of the breakthrough cases, thus protecting the population quickly against a new pathogen. That certainly did work very well.

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk

Nov-22

That is basically what I was told by a medical doctor/researcher, who is far more knowledgeable than the average internet article writer.  But why are they finding disease in otherwise healthy people? They claim it’s caused by the vaccine. Could it actually be caused by Covid in some people? Or by other factors? Since many don’t know if they have had Covod or not, it’s not considered a factor.  I stopped getting boosters because I became unsure after reading the material. I also have a good friend with a long medical background who doesn’t believe in flu shots or Covid shots. But I get flu shots without incidents.

WALTER784
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From: WALTER784

Nov-22

$1,661.87 in cats (ROCKETMAN_S) said...

What was learned is, it prevents infection entirely among a high fraction of recipients, and while not totally conveying absolute immunity, greatly reduces the severity and duration of the breakthrough cases, thus protecting the population quickly against a new pathogen. That certainly did work very well.

That summary shows it's in efficacy of stopping or preventing the virus. mRNA may have been around for ages, but how many (pre-Covid) tests were performed on a population greater than 4000-10,000 people? Ooooopssssss... you mean none?

What was this "so called" miracle mRNA's past track record of stopping pre-Covid influenzas and flus? Are there any successful track records? On what numbers of the populace? What about rat or mice tests? What was their outcomes?

The PR for the mRNA made it sound like a miracle vaccine, but as you said, it hasn't worked out very well.

It doesn't prevent the disease from spreading. All the supposed niceties of being able to get out in front of the curve have all proved negative as we're nearing the 3-year mark and Covid variants are still spreading.

Recent reports show that those who are vaccinated seem to have more problems than for those who have not been vaccinated. And the death rates of the vaccinated are larger than those for the unvaccinated.

But if you back up to Aug 2020 data... 0.02% of healthy individuals would die whereas 2% of those would die.

Look up current worldwide or just US death rates among those infected and it's at around 0.02% even for those with comorbidities. 

But what is changing, and we cannot say with any real assertions, is that more than just a few who have been vaccinated are dying.

FWIW

 

Showtalk said:

But why are they finding disease in otherwise healthy people? They claim it’s caused by the vaccine. Could it actually be caused by Covid in some people? Or by other factors? Since many don’t know if they have had Covod or not, it’s not considered a factor.

Asymptomatic cases do happen with contagious diseases. It's because everyone's genetics is unique - every generation the deck is shuffled, so there will be a certain fraction of the population that may get infected but not develop serious symptoms. Someone next to him or her on the subway may catch it from the asymptomatic carrier and not only get sick, but get deathly sick.

Also no vaccine is 100% effective. Some people don't react to it sufficiently enough to truly get immunity, but it may mean if they do get infected, they are asymptomatic while without the shot they would also get quite sick.

Asymptomatic can also come in "50 shades of gray". Someone might pick up an infection that has very mild symptoms, or atypical symptoms, and thus not realize they caught the plague. So they go about their business, maybe feeling a little tired, maybe just think they've got some seasonal allergy for a while. But they come into contact with some who catch the same pathogen which then overwhelms that person's defenses.

Covid definitely fits this method of spread, where it quietly spreads under the radar and then surfaces in an apparent outbreak for which contact tracing really can't find where it came from. This causes the illusion that it spontaneously appears.

Those who have been vaccinated tend to be less contagious than those who are not, although no one who gets actually infected apparently has zero contagion. They just shed fewer virus particles, they have a much lower viral load in their system, which reduces the odds that the person they breathe at will pick up enough viruses to get sick.

And that's something most people don't understand. While theoretically, one single virus can make someone deathly ill as it takes hold and multiplies like crazy, the reality is it usually takes a few thousand to tens of thousands, which easily will inhabit a few microscopic droplets (or with other diseases, can become airborne from stirred up dust - hantavirus carried in rodent feces comes to mind just off the top of my head).

Thus, vaccination tends to raise the threshold of viral load needed for it to spread, and if the transmissivity can be brought below 1.0, it dramatically peters out but never can be fully extinguished as it eventually becomes endemic.

Twice infected is much like influenza or the common cold - viruses mutate very rapidly compared to complex organisms. You get one strain and get sick. The more people who get sick, the more quadrillions and quintillions of viruses are lurking in people around the globe.

Cosmic rays constantly bombard the planet. They randomly hit genetic material and cause mutations. Most of the mutations are disadvantageous, and those mutated viruses or bacteria or even insects, simply fail to replicate. But sooner or later, a pathogen gets hit with a mutation that gives it an advantage. The protein coat changes slightly so it can evade a vaccine primed or prior infection primed immune system. This lets the new mutation be fruitful and multiply.

Mutations, or evolution, that takes tens of thousands of years to propagate through a complex organism population can do so in days when it comes to a virus or other pathogen. So critters that can slip past existing defenses have a distinct advantage in causing a new outbreak.

Thus, there will always be a reservoir among especially the unvaccinated, of trillions upon quadrillions of viruses, providing more opportunity for a new mutation and a new outbreak.

This is also why vaccines have to be constantly tweaked to deal with new versions. This used to take a long time, but mRNA vaccines can be updated by changing the sequence used to synthesize it, much like releasing a patch for Windows or Linux to stop a new digital threat when discovered and contain its spread.

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk

Nov-23

They have an uphill battle because for the first time in our history, we have as many anti vaxxers as we do pro vax.  Once that fear takes hold, it’s hard to shake.  Even my doctor said their office staff are all up to date but it’s an individual patient’s choice. They would not say that if they thought vaccines were totally safe.  They push flu shots harder than they do Covid shots.

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