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What should Biden do in East Palestine following the train accident? The Serious You: How Current Events Affect You
Started Feb-20 by Showtalk; 1832 views.
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From: WALTER784
Feb-25
Including the supposedly "controlled burn", but it was anything but "controlled"!!! In fact, their "controlled burn" probably did more damage than just letting the toxic material leak out onto the ground!
Eric Coppolino and the Health Ranger call for the TOTAL EVACUATION of East Palestine due to extremely toxic “dioxin fallout” that will poison the land and crops for GENERATIONS
Tuesday, February 21, 2023
by: Mike Adams
(Natural News) URGENT: Today we join Eric Coppolino in calling for the immediate, total evacuation of East Palestine, Ohio due to the dioxin fallout now taking place there. The full interview with Eric Coppolino is now available at the bottom of this article. The interview also appears at the HR Report channel page on Brighteon.com.
The toxic cloud event that’s dropping extremely toxic dioxins across a large area of residential housing and farmland was deliberately generated by the open burning of vinyl chloride, creating combustion byproducts of dioxins which are many orders of magnitude more toxic and dangerous than the original substance.
Understand that the combustion of chlorinated compounds always results in the formation of dioxins. This simple fact is known by all competent chemists and is openly admitted by the EPA itself on its dioxins warning page, which states:
Studies have shown that only small amounts of chlorinated materials in waste are required to support dioxin formation when burning waste… Much of the dioxins created and released into the air through backyard burning settle on plants. These plants are, in turn, eaten by meat and dairy animals, which store the dioxins in their fatty tissue. People are exposed to dioxins primarily by eating meat, fish, and dairy products, especially those high in fat. Backyard burning occurs most commonly in rural farming areas where dioxin emissions can more easily be deposited on animal feed crops and grazing lands. These dioxins then accumulate in the fats of dairy cows, beef, poultry, and swine, making human consumption of these harmful chemicals difficult to avoid.
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Near-PERMANENT ecological destruction on a scale never before witnessed
The EPA even states that dioxins are PBTs, which means 1) Persistent. 2) Bioaccumulative. 3) Toxic. This means they don’t go away, they accumulate up the food chain to achieve higher and higher concentrations, and 3) They are toxic. As the EPA explains:
Dioxins are classified as persistent, bioaccumulative, and toxic pollutants (PBTs). PBTs are highly toxic, long-lasting substances that can build up in the food chain to levels that are harmful to human and ecosystem health. Persistent means they remain in the environment for extended periods of time. Bioaccumulative means their concentration levels increase as they move up the food chain. As a consequence, animals at the top of the food chain (such as humans) tend to have the highest dioxin concentrations in their bodies.
What sort of health problems are caused by dioxin exposure?
1) Immune suppression.
2) Infertility, spontaneous abortions.
3) Extreme hormone disruption.
4) Developmental disorders in babies and children.
5) DNA mutations.
6) Cancer.
Via the EPA:
Dioxins are potent toxicants with the potential to produce a broad spectrum of adverse effects in humans. Dioxins can alter the fundamental growth and development of cells in ways that have the potential to lead to many kinds of impacts. These include adverse effects upon reproduction and development, suppression of the immune system, disruption of hormonal systems, and cancer.
The “controlled burn” actually transformed a relatively harmless chemical into an extremely toxic, deadly chemical that will persist across Ohio, Pennsylvania and New York State for CENTURIES
The media and government are both repeatedly using the phrase, “controlled burn” to describe the setting fire to the liquid vinyl chloride monomer that was being carried by the Norfolk Southern railroad.
Vinyl chloride is made solely of three elements: Carbon, hydrogen and chlorine. In its simplest form, it looks like this (the monomer, liquid form is on the left, and the solid poly form is on the right):
Although vinyl chloride is somewhat toxic, it’s nowhere near as toxic as the dioxins created by burning vinyl chloride without fully incinerating it. Low-temperature combustion actually produces far more toxic compounds than what you started with, in other words.
Put another way, if you incinerate it as a hazardous waste at > 2000 degrees (F), you will destroy the molecule’s morphology and end up with just the individual elements such as carbon and hydrogen, each of which is relatively harmless by itself.
But if you ignite vinyl chloride in an open ditch, you create a dioxin factory that produces extremely toxic molecules from the combination of heat and oxygen. The hydrogen, carbon and chlorine are combined with oxygen from the open air (hence the fact that the burn was actually uncontrolled, not controlled), and you produce molecules like this: (2,3,7,8 TCDD)
After this relatively low-temperature combustion (an open fire in a ditch), you have now converted relatively harmless vinyl chloride into extremely toxic, persistent toxins known as dioxins.
Burning the vinyl chloride was an act of ecological terrorism and a crime against nature and human civilization
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- Edited February 25, 2023 3:52 am by WALTER784
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From: Showtalk
Feb-25
They should pay everyone to relocate until the entire area is cleaned up. The government is refusing and told people it’s safe to return. They are all Republicans so the left doesn’t care if they all die. It’s very obvious they don’t care at all about the dangers.
From: Elarepea
Feb-26
I voted "all of the above", but honestly, he should probably just stay far away because he'll just screw it up more.
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From: WALTER784
Mar-3
It's starting to look like my suspicions were correct... the supposedly "controlled burn" was more devastating to the environment than just emptying the leaking tanker cars into the ground! Now, whether that was purposeful or not? Considering current admin, it wouldn't surprise me if it were purposeful... as sad as that may seem.
Here’s why dioxins are the most toxic chemical class known to man
Wednesday, February 22, 2023
by: Ethan Huff
(Natural News) In 2020, Restoration & Remediation (R&R) published a fascinating article about dioxins that classifies them as the most hazardous substance in structure fire environments – and for good reason.
Whenever a building or object containing chlorinated chemicals catches fire – this includes the “controlled explosion” of the derailed Norfolk Southern freight train in East Palestine, Ohio – dioxins and other deadly compounds are released. However, typically speaking, very little attention is given to this toxic release.
Concerning structure fires, the federal government is primarily focused on asbestos and lead, all the while ignoring the threat of volatile organic compounds (VOCs), other heavy metals, particulate matter, and dioxin release.
“When newer homes or buildings suffer fire damage, testing for any kind of hazardous substance is typically deemed unnecessary,” explain Briana C. Scott and Sean Scott, writing for R&R.
“Occasionally, testing will be conducted for the presence of soot, char, or ash in structures near wildfire areas. However, it is almost unheard of for this type of testing to be performed to identify the composition of the combustion byproducts to determine whether any hazardous substances are present.”
Dioxins are a combustion byproduct that falls squarely into this overlooked category of post-fire chemical testing. The authorities will test for other things, but will rarely address the biggest elephant in the room: dioxins.
“Post-structure fire and wildfire settings, especially those where plastics, synthetic materials, electronics, or PVC have burned, extremely hazardous and carcinogenic chemicals are created that are typically overlooked altogether,” the Scotts add.
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“One chemical in particular, dioxin, some consider to be one of the most toxic chemicals known to man.”
(Related: Did the controlled explosion of the East Palestine train wreck create the largest dioxin plume in world history?)
Dioxins are more lethal than asbestos and lead, so why do the authorities ignore them?
It turns out that dioxins belong to the World Health Organization’s (WHO) “Dirty Dozen” list of the most dangerous chemicals, also referred to as persistent organic pollutants (POPs), in the world. They are extremely toxic to all lifeforms and are by far more dangerous than both asbestos and lead.
Even the smallest quantities of dioxin are harmful, and persistently so due to their immense toxicity and propensity towards persistence – meaning they do not biodegrade and tend to accumulate wherever they lodge themselves, including in the fat tissue of animals and humans.
“POPs are chemicals of global concern due to their potential for long-range transport, persistence in the environment and atmosphere, ability to bioaccumulate in ecosystems, as well as their significant negative effects on human health and the environment,” the Scotts write. “Bioaccumulation is the accumulation of chemicals in organisms from the surrounding environment through skin absorption, ingestion, and inhalation.”
“The most commonly encountered POPs are organochlorine pesticides, industrial chemicals, and polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), as well as unintentional byproducts of many industrial processes, especially chlorinated dibenzo-p-dioxins (CDDs) and dibenzofurans.”
CDDs, by the way, are also generated during combustion. Structure fires where PVC (polyvinyl chloride), plastics, paper, and other chlorinated chemicals are present tend to release very large amounts of CDD, the most toxic being 2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin, or TCDD.
“There are 75 different dioxins, or polychlorinated dibenzodioxins (PCDDs) and certain dioxin-like polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) with similar toxic properties are also included under the term ‘dioxins,'” reports indicate.
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From: WALTER784
Mar-5
“Bomb Train” in Ohio Sickens Residents: Railroad Cutbacks, Corporate Greed Led to Toxic Disaster
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From: Showtalk
Mar-5
Ohio residents ordered to stay inside as another train derails
Ohio residents have been ordered to shelter in place Saturday after another Norfolk Southern train ran off the tracks.
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