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Are feminists transphobic?   The Curious You: Beliefs and Ideas

Started May-21 by WALTER784; 1410 views.
WALTER784
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Poll Question From WALTER784

May-21

Are feminists transphobic?
  • Yes0  votes
    0%
  • I don't know2  votes
    22%
  • No5  votes
    55%
  • Other (Please explain)2  votes
    22%
Yes 
I don't know 
No 
Other (Please explain) 
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WALTER784
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From: WALTER784 

May-21

Are Feminists Transphobic?

Riley-Gaines-Lia-Thomas Swimming competition

May 19, 2023
Penna Dexter

During her senior year swimming for the University of Kentucky, Riley Gaines learned something about feminism’s identity crisis. She says she never considered herself a feminist. She told FOX News, “It almost goes against the co-dependency that I believe the sexes should have.”
 
Then, last spring, Riley tied for fifth place in the NCAA 200-meter freestyle finals with the University of Pennsylvania transgender swimmer Lia Thomas, who for 3 years, had been swimming, as William Thomas, for the men’s team. Riley and her teammates were also subjected to Thomas in all his undressed glory in the women’s locker room.
 
Riley told FOX News: “The feminist movement has gone two directions,” She says she resonates with one of those branches and it’s not the one that’s “fighting for male inclusion in women’s sports, women’s spaces.”
 
Lia Thomas says of the criticism from female teammates, “They’re using the guise of feminism to sort of push transphobic beliefs.”
 
Laura Favaro is also a feminist and a sociologist at City University of London. Like Riley Gaines, she believes in just two biological sexes. She conducted research, she says, “to investigate the disputes around sex and gender that have escalated dramatically since the 2010’s.” Her plan, as described in The Telegraph and by Daily Signal writer Nicole Russell, was to conduct “the first taxpayer-funded study into ‘whether social scientists at universities feel censored over their views on transgender issues.’” Laura interviewed 50 feminists who worked in gender studies departments and surveyed 650 social scientists.
 
Scholars who were open about their traditional views of sex and gender reported they had experienced threats and smears from colleagues. They sometimes feared for their jobs. These findings were deemed “dangerous’ by Laura Favaro’s bosses at City. Eventually, administrators denied her access to her email account and demanded she give up her material and findings. She ultimately lost her job.
 
Riley and Laura are learning what it costs to be the wrong kind of feminist.

Are Feminists Transphobic? - Point of View - Point of View

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From: Showtalk 

May-21

I’ve wondered about that too.  Feminism would elevate people born women, not those who decide they are women.

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk 

May-21

I looked it up and there is a traditional radical feminist who is a TERF and doesn’t believe men can become women. It used to be the norm among radical feminists, but has been changed to be derogatory, right about the same the public narrative changed.

TERF (/t??rf/) is an acronym for trans-exclusionary radical feminist

First recorded in 2008, the term was originally used to distinguish transgender-inclusive feminists from a group of radical feminists and social conservatives who reject the assertion that trans women are women, including trans women in women's spaces, and transgender rights legislation. Trans-inclusive feminists who support transfeminism assert that these "TERF" ideas and positions are transphobic and discriminatory towards transgender people. The use of the term TERF has since broadened to include reference to people with trans-exclusionary views who are not necessarily involved with radical feminism.

Though TERF was created to be a "deliberately technically neutral description", the term is now typically considered derogatory or disparaging. People labeled TERFs often reject the label, instead describing their beliefs as gender critical. In academic discourse, there is no clear consensus on whether TERF constitutes a slur. Critics of the label have pointed to its usage alongside insulting or abusive rhetoric, and described it as a "bullying tool", while other academics have argued that this alone does not make it a slur.

WALTER784
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From: WALTER784 

May-21

Showtalk said...

I’ve wondered about that too.  Feminism would elevate people born women, not those who decide they are women.

Correct, but throughout the years, those people have been more or less sidelined because their stance doesn't fit the LGBTQ narrative and thus they were pushed aside.

From the mid 1980's anytime somebody rallied a straight pride agenda (vs gay pride parade), the LGBTQ community would turn up 10-fold and totally outnumber those who were pro-straight with boisterous upheavals to the point that most of those pro-straight people were basically scared off. Those pro-straight people were attacked, doxed, slandered, threatened, you name it.

And it's only gotten worse since then.

FWIW

WALTER784
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From: WALTER784 

May-21

The TERF term was for radical feminists. 

Today, the LGBTQ community call anybody who doesn't like men with penises undressing in women's locker rooms TERF, but in reality, all today's women want is their own feminine privacy without being looked at by men with penises in their locker rooms. 

In the early years, those men who claimed to be women were called perverts, today, those who denounce the perverts are called anti-trans!

And that folks... is where we are at today.

They force their radical ways upon you and your only choice is accept them or get attacked, doxed, slandered, fired from your jobs and get death threats... only because you don't feel safe with men claiming to be women in your women's locker rooms or toilets/showers!

The only radical thing here is the men claiming to be women and haunting women who don't approve!!!

FWIW

  • Edited May 21, 2023 11:36 am  by  WALTER784
Showtalk
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From: Showtalk 

May-21

Yes is has gotten much worse.

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk 

May-21

So why even have separate locker rooms? Maybe all schools need coed changing facilities. Then there would be no arguments.   Just kidding, of course.

WALTER784
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From: WALTER784 

May-21

It's like I've been saying for over 20 years now...

If you don't like the boy scouts or the girl scouts, create your own gay scouts or lesbian scouts or non-binary scouts or any one of the other 97 or more gender scouts, but leave the boy scouts and girl scouts alone. They are for the biological binary sex people.

And if you don't like the men's toilet/shower room or the women's toilet/shower room, create your own gay or lesbian or non-binary or any one of the other 97 gender toilets/showers, but leave the men's toilets/showers and women's toilets/showers alone. They are for the biological binary sex people.

Nobody is forcing them to do anything. It's them forcing their agenda upon the rest of us... and they are the minority forcing their will upon the majority. But for over 20 years, nobody seems to have been able to stop them from forcing their way upon the rest of us.

FWIW

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From: Showtalk 

May-21

They did that here with family bathrooms that are for anyone. They are single room bathrooms. They are gender free.

  • Edited May 21, 2023 12:47 pm  by  Showtalk
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