Now we know the fires were mishandled. There were two fires and nothing was fine to check water or warn people after the first one.

Lahaina Inferno Began After Firefighters Departed a ‘Contained’ Scene

Some residents said they were alarmed when fire crews left the site of an early-morning fire: “Someone should have stayed

More than eight hours before a deadly fire swept through the Hawaiian town of Lahaina on Aug. 8, a small brush fire broke out on the edge of a residential neighborhood located a little more than a mile away from the town’s historic waterfront.

Firefighters spent hours dousing the blaze with water and carving boundaries around the burning fields with heavy machinery. They managed to keep the fire away from nearby homes, containing it to some empty plots of land.

Then came what could prove to be one of the key turning points in a disaster that became the deadliest U.S. wildfire in more than a century. With hurricane-force gusts still blowing over the fire site and the surrounding arid shrubbery, crews left the neighborhood. They were needed, officials said, at other locations.

Within an hour, residents and Maui County authorities said, the initial brush fire flared up again and roared down the hillside toward the ocean, destroying nearly everything in its path. This time, the fire swiftly grew out of control. The death toll has reached at least 115, and more than 2,000 structures were destroyed.

In interviews this week, several residents of the area near the original brush fire said they had worried about its return when the fire trucks left their neighborhood. The fire, driven by the wind, had thrown off copious amounts of embers into the dry grasses, some of them said.

“I was angry because they were leaving the area unattended,” said Juan Advincula, 58, who watched the initial efforts to put the fire out. “It was the winds, the dryness and the embers I was afraid of. Someone should have stayed.”

Soon after the fire crews departed, residents said, the fire restarted along the edge of the neighborhood and began rapidly churning down the hillside, casting embers in the grasslands and parched shrubbery.

Gov. Josh Green said in an interview that the fire had been “temporarily out” before it “burst anew.”

“I think there were just embers and wind,” he said.

Maui’s fire chief, Brad Ventura, said in a statement that crews had departed the scene of the first fire to help handle “numerous additional calls for service in other parts of West Maui,” mostly for downed power lines.

Sounds like neglect if you ask me. Whether it was willful or purposeful... hmmmm....

I've seen several home fires and a few rice paddy/vegetable farm fires within a few kilometers of where I live. 

During the fire, there are anywhere from 3 ~ over 10 fire trucks on the scene to douse the fire depending on the size of the fire.

But in all instances I've seen, there is always one police car and one fire truck that remains at the scene of the fire for about 45 minutes to an hour after the fire has been doused. All the other fire trucks leave shortly after packing up their hoses. But that one remaining fire truck keeps its hoses deployed in case of a reoccurrence.

If there is still smoke rising, underbrush could still be burning underneath. That last fire truck continues to spray water on the areas where the smoke continues to rise. And even after there is no more smoke rising, they still watch closely for at least 30 minutes or more. 

FWIW

I doubt it was intentional by the entire fire department and there was water during the first fire. What happened to it 8 hrs later? Maybe one person sabotaged it.

Showtalk said...

I doubt it was intentional by the entire fire department and there was water during the first fire. What happened to it 8 hrs later? Maybe one person sabotaged it.

Under Biden's admin, intentional by entire fire dept wouldn't surprise me at all. You cannot trust anything any more.

Remember when they said the electric company didn't have a shutdown manual and that caused the fires... now we have this countering that there was no power shutdown.

Hawaiian Electric Denies Responsibility for Maui Fires, Claims Power Lines Were Shut Off Hours Before the Wildfire Started

By Jim H?ft
Aug. 28, 2023 7:48 pm

Interesting. That is going to be a huge legal battle.

This guy, 2-bit DaVinchi, is a stickler for detail and looking into and analyzing various things from various different standpoints. 

This is what he has to say about the Maui fires.

The Maui Fires - REAL Reason They Happened

That is a good video. He debunks the conspiracies while looking at real reasons it happened.  As he says, It was a perfect storm.  He mentioned some of what I posted before about stopping sugar cane and pineapple growth.  He mentioned that they need to underground power lines.  That should be done everywhere and should be paid for by the government. Instead communities tell property owners utilities  can only be placed underground if they pay for it themselves.  It’s very expensive.  

Yes, he's good at logically thinking things through. 

He did it with EVs vs Hydrogen based cars, with various other technologies, etc. 

He does his homework, looks at all angles and makes his videos.

And, as you said... in the process, he has debunked a lot of the plausible or laughable stories about the fire in the process.

FWIW

He also debunked extreme conspiracies too.

He has numerous videos about numerous topics including nuclear reactors, Oceangate submarine disaster, etc. You can see his youtube channel below about all the videoclips he has posted. He's quite logical and thus hard to debunk or claim false narrative over. 

Two Bit da Vinci - YouTube

FWIW