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Is your car spying on you? (See next ...   The Curious You: Beliefs and Ideas

Started Sep-30 by WALTER784; 1022 views.
WALTER784
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Poll Question From WALTER784

Sep-30

Is your car spying on you? (See next post for details.)
  • No3  votes
    27%
  • I hope not/I don't think so3  votes
    27%
  • I'm not sure4  votes
    36%
  • Probably/perhaps1  vote
    9%
  • I believe it might be0  votes
    0%
  • Yes0  votes
    0%
  • Other (Please explain)0  votes
    0%
No 
I hope not/I don't think so 
I'm not sure 
Probably/perhaps 
I believe it might be 
Yes 
Other (Please explain) 
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WALTER784
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From: WALTER784 

Sep-30

Americans' cars now have 'unmatched power to watch, listen and collect information about what you do and where you go' - with at least 84% of 25 car brands in bombshell study sharing or selling personal data

The Mozilla Foundation works for better online privacy and internet safety
It found half of cars studied could share your information' with the government
Researches say cars can collect information about your genetics or even sex life

By GERMANIA RODRIGUEZ POLEO FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 18:48 BST, 11 September 2023 | UPDATED: 20:20 BST, 11 September 2023

Americans' cars now have the 'unmatched power to watch, listen and collect information about what you do and where you go,' according to a concerning new study.
 
According to the Mozilla Foundation, at least 84 percent of 25 car brands studied have the power to share or sell the personal data of drivers to to data brokers, law enforcement, and others.
 
'The gist is: they can collect super intimate information about you — from your medical information, your genetic information, to your ‘sex life’ (seriously), to how fast you drive, where you drive, and what songs you play in your car,' the study said.
 
The study gave all 25 of the studied cars 'Privacy Not Included' warnings, finding the car brands were collecting 'too much personal data' from drivers.'
 
The study also looked at other digital products such as smart home devices, mental health apps and exercise products. Researchers claimed vehicles 'have the most problems when it comes to protecting a [user’s] privacy.'
 
The study gave all 25 of the studied cars 'Privacy Not Included' warnings, finding the car brands were collecting 'too much personal data' from drivers'
 
The study by the Mozilla Foundation found that Tesla , Nissan, Hyundai, Cadillac, and GMC are the top five worst companies when it came to driver privacy
 
The Mozilla foundation, which is behind the Firefox browser and works for better online privacy and internet safety, said cars are the worst product they have ever reviewed for privacy concerns, adding vehicles are a 'privacy nightmare.' 
 
It found that Tesla, Nissan, Hyundai, Cadillac, and GMC were the top five worst companies when it came to driver privacy.
 
It also found that 92 percent of the cars, which they called 'data-gobbling machines,' say they can share your information with the government upon an 'informal request.'
 
Moreover, all but two, Renault and Dacia, gave 'drivers little to no control over their personal data,' including the choice to delete it.
 
The study notes that Nissan's privacy policy says the company can share sensitive personal information, 'including driver's license number, national or state identification number, citizenship status, immigration status, race, national origin, religious or philosophical beliefs, sexual orientation, sexual activity, precise geolocation, health diagnosis data, and genetic information.'
 
None of the car brands studied met Mozilla's minimum security standards. 
 
The researchers wrote: 'It’s so strange to us that dating apps and sex toys publish more detailed security information than cars. 
 
'Even though the car brands we researched each had several long-winded privacy policies (Toyota wins with 12), we couldn’t find confirmation that of the brands meet our Minimum Security Standards.'
 
The research comes as driving technology continues to advance, leading to questions about what the advances will mean for user privacy.
 
Earlier tis year Tesla staffers were exposed after sharing videos of customers recorded with the cars' integrated dashcams.
 
Clips, which were recorded between 2019 and 2022, included road rage incidents, graphic crashes, and even a naked man approaching the car.

Americans' cars now have 'unmatched power to watch, listen and collect information about what you do and where you go' - with at least 84% of 25 car brands in bombshell study sharing or selling personal data | Daily Mail Online

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Showtalk
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From: Showtalk 

Sep-30

It almost makes you never want to buy a new car.

Fortunately, all my cars are much older than the rise of the ubiquitous spy network.

But, new cars are also too expensive for we mere serfs to afford anyway. So it's a first world problem mostly for the affluent GenX to worry about.

So, m strategy is let those spy laden cars sit on the dealership showroom floor. But then the last time I darkened a dealership door was circa 1982. And got ripped off with such a lemon that I vowed 41 years ago to never give them another chance to do that stunt again.

I've instead found assorted hand-me-downs from individuals, gotten some at seized vehicle auctions, and other sources where the dealers=crooks racket really can't flimflam like they are trained to do.

Of course I spend a lot of time turning a wrench on assorted cars and trucks, but that's just part of the price paid for freedom from that kind of dystopian surveillance.

Oh, one helpful trick to mess with the license plate scanning cameras. If you have any property in New Mexico, which doesn't issue a front plate, register a car in NM. Then get a cheap trailer to tow, that is registered (and kept current) by an LLC shell corporation. You don't have to tow it everywhere - but strap some shovels and a wheelbarrow down on that. It hides the towing vehicle license plate so what they scan is the trailer plate.

As long as you don't keep the vehicle in Texas for more than 60 days, you don't have to transfer the registration. Ideally, drive the NM car for a month, make a quick run across the state line to retrieve the TX car and drive it a few days, etc.

The oil companies here, or at least some of the well service outfits, if they have an office in Pennsylvania, do this vehicle shell game with company fleet vehicles. I see a BUNCH of PA plates on the streets out here. What they do is, drive them here for a few days less than the legal maximum, and then swap trucks / cars with others also with PA plates that they have in Oklahoma, NM, Wyoming, etc - and just steadily rotate vehicles through, renewing them every year in PA.

Oklahoma has similar nonresident time limits on cars there. So when something has been running around Oklahoma for almost too long, they swap vehicles with one from Texas or another state, so none of them stay on the roads in any state for more than 60 days (or 30, or 90 depending on the particular states' motor vehicle code)

WALTER784
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From: WALTER784 

Oct-9

There's always some kind of loophole to continue doing various things. 

The no front NM plate with a trailer hiding the rear plate however, is quite an interesting ploy though!

FWIW

Showtalk
Host

From: Showtalk 

Oct-9

How can renew a vehicle in PA unless you live there? We aren’t oil companies with addresses all over the country.

Someone on the forums a decade or so ago had as his sig line, "The only real freedom is the ability to slip between the cracks of various layers of bureaucracy"

Showtalk said:

How can renew a vehicle in PA unless you live there?

You could set up an LLC which is then what actually owns the vehicle, and incorporate it in the state you want it to be in, depending of course on how the laws there are structured to set up an LLC with out of state ownership of the LLC.

So when they do scan the plates and automagically run them as you are driving through the Texas panhandle between Tulia and Borger, for example, it just comes up as a company vehicle, not necessarily who's driving it.

For an extra touch, stick a couple of magnetic signs that suggest it's for some kind of service gig - like "Frank's Electronics Salvage" and actually register a domain, even print a QR code on a corner of the sign.

WALTER784
Staff

From: WALTER784 

Oct-9

$1,661.87 in cats (ROCKETMAN_S) said...

"The only real freedom is the ability to slip between the cracks of various layers of bureaucracy"

LOL... Interesting way of putting it!

FWIW

Yep I thought it was a pretty accurate way to depict the modern world.

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