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Started Jan-16 by WALTER784; 360 views.
WALTER784
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Poll Question From WALTER784

Jan-16

Should babies born alive in failed abortion attempt be cared for? (See next post for details)
  • Yes16  votes
    84%
  • I'm not sure1  vote
    5%
  • No2  votes
    10%
Yes 
I'm not sure 
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WALTER784
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From: WALTER784 

Jan-16

210 Democrats vote against bill requiring medical care for babies born alive after abortion attempt

Peter Kasperowicz
Thu, January 12, 2023 at 6:33 AM

U.S. Representative from New York
 
Nearly every House Democrat on Wednesday voted against legislation that would require immediate medical attention for babies who are born alive after an attempt was made to abort them.
 
The House passed the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, which says any infant born alive after an attempted abortion is a "legal person for all purposes under the laws of the United States." Doctors would be required to care for those infants as a "reasonably diligent and conscientious health care practitioner would render to any other child born alive."
 
The bill passed 220-210, and all 210 of the "no" votes came from Democrats. Only one Democrat voted for the bill — Rep. Henry Cuellar of Texas — and one other Democrat, Rep. Vicente Gonzalez of Texas, voted "present."
 
Following that level of care, doctors would be required admit those infants to a hospital for further care. Any violation of this standard would result in fines and imprisonment for up to five years, or both.
 
Republicans argued on the floor that comments from Virginia’s former Democratic Gov. Ralph Northam are an example of why the law needs to be clarified to protect newborn infants who survive abortions. Northam was talking about third-trimester abortions and appeared to indicate support for delivering babies that might still be alive before taking their life outside the womb.
 
REPUBLICANS TO CONDEMN PRO-CHOICE ACTIVIST VIOLENCE AFTER ROE ROLLBACK WITH RESOLUTION
 
U.S. House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY)
 
House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., and other House Democrats voted against a bill Wednesday requiring medical care for infants who survive abortion.
 
"We all know in 2019, then-Gov. Northam of the state of Virginia stated this: 'The infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother,'" said Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio.
 
"The cavalier attitude he displayed towards human life is just wrong," Jordan said. "It is simple. Infants born alive following an abortion are kids, are children. All newborns deserve the same level of care."
 
Nonetheless, Democrats overwhelmingly rejected the bill. Some, like Rep. Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., argued that the bill would set up new requirements that would "directly interfere with the doctors’ medical judgment and dictate a medical standard of care that may not be appropriate in all circumstances."
 
He and other Democrats said the requirement to eventually take infants who survive abortion to a hospital may not be in the best interest of the family.
 
Several others rejected Republicans' stated purpose for bringing up the bill and accused the GOP of trying to outlaw abortion, although the bill places no new limit on abortion.
 
Jim Jordan abortion
 
Rep. Jim Jordan, a Republican from Ohio, argued in favor of legislation calling for medical care for abortion survivors, a bill Democrats widely rejected.
 
"We all know what this is about. It is not about the protection of newborn children. It’s about control," said Rep. Sydney Kamlager-Dove, D-Calif. "It’s about the nationwide abortion ban that Republicans have been itching to enact since the overturning of Roe v. Wade."
 
House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., accused Republicans of bringing up the bill "as part of your march to criminalize abortion care, to impose a nationwide ban, to set into motion government-mandated pregnancies."
 
Rep. Suzanne Bonamici, D-Ore., also cast the bill as an attempt to ban abortion, and said it is "extremist, dangerous and unnecessary."
 
Rep. Mary Scanlon, D-Pa., said she opposes the GOP’s "grotesque attempt to politicize abortion care and criminalize doctors."
 
NORTH CAROLINA PREGNANCY CENTER DEFIANT AFTER PRO-AB
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Showtalk
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From: Showtalk 

Jan-16

Of course. Once they are born they aren’t fetuses, they are living people. How complicated is that?

WALTER784
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From: WALTER784 

Jan-16

Complicated enough that 210 Democrats voted against it!

FWIW

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk 

Jan-17

They are lucky their parents cared enough to give them live births or they wouldn’t be here to vote.  It’s one thing to make a decision early. That is none of our business even if we oppose it. But a child born alive deserves a chance to live.

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk 

Jan-18

So far 6 yes votes and none in other categories.

WALTER784
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From: WALTER784 

Jan-18

Only 6 votes... sounds like some are refusing to participate in this poll for whatever reason!

FWIW

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk 

Jan-18

Or they haven’t seen it yet.

Dee (DLAINEDEE)

From: Dee (DLAINEDEE) 

Jan-18

Not sure about the poll, but people need not be afraid to stand up and say abortion is MURDER.  That's the problem, so many are afraid of the backlash.  The stupid saying, my body my choice.  While that may be true, that body inside of a woman is not her body.  Everyone that is against abortion should make it their business to stand up against it.

WALTER784
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From: WALTER784 

Jan-18

I don't think it's those who are against abortion who are not voting.

I think it's those who are not really anti-abortion, but then, neither pro-abortion who are afraid to vote, or those who don't really want to admit that they're pro-abortion who are afraid to vote.

FWIW

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