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Park confrontation    The Newsy You: News of Today

Started 5/26/20 by Showtalk; 2665 views.
In reply toRe: msg 41

a couple of updates.

Googled Reginald Denny, and the first hit, ahead of the Wikipedia page, was this:

https://landline.media/truckers-advised-to-use-caution-before-entering-protest-area/

This past April marked 28 years since Reginald Denny was pulled from the cab of his truck and beaten nearly to death during the 1992 Los Angeles protests and riots.

The disturbing footage serves as a reminder for truck drivers to take necessary precautions before entering any areas where the potential for violence is high.

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I know some truckers. Many are just saying that there are plenty of loads into non-rioting cities. They are refusing loads going into cities that have had riots, and many are outright saying they will not take a load there even if they have to change jobs.

Then there's this:

https://www.offgridweb.com/survival/what-if-your-vehicle-is-attacked-by-an-angry-mob/

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When I see the angry mob, I immediately call 911. I don’t say on the recorded 911 call: “Well, ah, there are some people, and they’re walking toward me.” I know to articulate fear in a verbal manner. “911, What is your emergency?” “Help! There’s an angry mob trying to hurt me, my pregnant wife, and 10-year-old son. I’m worried we’re going to die.”

In thousands of 911 calls I’ve heard and litigated, I’ve never thought a person expressing intense fear was lying. ... Whatever direction will take us away from trouble is the path I seek. I’d be doing this while on the phone asking for police assistance. ...  I’m responsible for the safety of others. Let’s say I’ve caused damage to the vehicle in front of me by utilizing the push bumper to safely get my wife and son away from danger. I call 911 and report what I did. There’s such a thing as the necessity defense. It’s legally grounded in the “Reasonable Person Standard,” meaning: Would a reasonable person feel the need to push the vehicle in front of him to avoid any angry mob? It’s not whether I feel the danger, subjectively, but rather, would another reasonable person do the same. ...

... If I must drive on a sidewalk: Well, I say better to be judged by 12 rather than carried by six. I’ll apply all force and fury to protect my family. Remember, legally speaking, a mob is comprised of individuals, and I will be held responsible for any injuries or damage to innocent people who are merely present. I can’t drive blindly through the mob, running people over. You must maneuver away from danger, utilizing the bare minimum damage and injury to others. ...

and lots more information in that one rather long article.

kizmet1

From: kizmet1

Jun-1

Re: rioters from out of town.
Sundays rioting in Portland started with iver 1,000 people meeting in an eastside park and walking in the street to the river, crossing the bridge and rioting. Media said it was worse than Friday. Media also noticed a lot of cars with WA license plates dropping people off at park.
On Friday high end stores like MSFT and Apple were broken into and robbed. The city owned Justice center was set on fire Friday. On Sunday the Federal Bldg was hit. Fires started. Small, family owned ethnic restaurants were still cleaning up after Friday and hit again. Many think Antifa is responsible. The crowd looked like a mixture of races and even women.
I am about 15-20 miles from heart of Portland in a strictly residential area with no police. I know from experience cops will not come. My mayor is Black but I don't know if that would stop people who want to riot and destroy homes. I have been leaving every 2 weeks for food but don't know how safe it will be this week.
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From: Showtalk

Jun-1

They don’t really have a choice unless they plan to sit there and get shot.  Cities need to get this under control.

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From: Showtalk

Jun-1

There won’t be deliveries to those hot zones as long as there is danger.

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From: Showtalk

Jun-1

Your area is probably safe.  They seem to target densely populated areas, like the heart of big cities.

kizmet1

From: kizmet1

Jun-1

I hope we are safe. Trouble is, most do not know we are not part of bigger, wealthier city next to us. Also, we are very close to freeway.

Yep. They couldn't pay me enough to try and go into one of those areas. Whether it's linemen trying to restore electricity, if it's truckers delivering goods, IT people getting cellular service and internet back going, most of them would be just going "Nope. Not gonna risk my life and limb. Let them starve in the dark without internet, phone service, trash collection, or anything else. And no one's gonna respond to 911 any more either."

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From: Showtalk

Jun-1

There aren’t enough police to stop rioters and looters.  If the pandemic didn’t destroy enough businesses, burning them down will.  People are rightly furious.  I wonder how many mayors will escape blame for their bad decisions.  They could have stopped it before it escalated but from the outside, it appears they sat back and allowed it to happen.

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Jun-1

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