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Park confrontation    The Newsy You: News of Today

Started 5/26/20 by Showtalk; 4371 views.

From: Showtalk


They have to wear masks to avoid being identified. It provides cover for looting and destroying.


From: Showtalk


That is sad.  He didn’t get to see her?


From: kizmet1


Works well for them. There was one guy arrested who had the worst tattoo over most of his face.

From: kizmet1


I don't think so.

"peripheral damage" - good phrase.

Also I wonder, how long till some doctor or nurse is shot by cops or a gang for breaking curfew to try and get to work.

Or a utility worker trying to fix a power outage or something.

About 40 years ago, some of us did drills to practice covert movement in violation of a curfew. It was really kind of like a war games. It was done on a normal night in Lubbock near the campus, and we had some who were actively looking for the participants, while the participants had a goal of getting somehow from a specific spot in the city to another spot, where they would then call from a pay phone at the "finish line".

If you were spotted, the searchers had flashlights, and some golf balls. If they shined the flashlight on you, you were "caught", and if you ran, then you could be "killed" if anyone successfully threw a golf ball and managed a hit.

Then everyone was debriefed to figure out what they did wrong and what they did right. Scoring was based on distance, percentage points of the distance you had to cover without being caught. If you actually reached the pay phone and made the call, you got 1000 points for mission completion, but if you were caught you only got 2 points per percent of the distance you had covered. If you were "killed", then you got 1 point.

This was before cell phones and before paintball became popular.

Anyway, we learned some things from the Army ROTC folks, and we used "Survival, Evasion and Escape: Department of the Army Field Manual FM 21-76." as a guide. I think it might be available to download here:

although it might be drinking from a fire hose. Amazon is also selling paperback editions.


It's kind of dated because it was published in January 1969. The North Vietnamese Army didn't have drones with thermal cameras that can see your body heat from 50,000 feet day or night, as you move in total darkness. They didn't have Stingray cell phone hijacking equipment, and they didn't have surveillance cameras with motion detection technology mounted on every building corner, and the Viet Cong didn't all have cell phones to report any suspicious movement that might win them a bounty for the capture of a downed pilot.

So evasion in a dense urban area is a heck of a lot more complicated than evasion in the dense jungles of North Vietnam, although getting captured at least in 21st Century America shouldn't involve the brutality inside the Hanoi Hilton, but ... in the tense environment of a lockdown curfew, one might find that roving patrols are likely to have a skittish person who would shoot first at whatever moves. So it might actually in some aspects be a lot more dangerous than exfiltrating North Vietnam to friendly territory.

One might disguise themselves as one of the people patrolling the curfew, but getting caught at that would also be very bad. It's just a lot tougher these days than it was some 51 years ago to move covertly.

However, also, people are lazy and they eventually get bored. But the problem is, now the enemy has a vast array of machines that can see and hear and track and communicate far better than any human, and never gets tired or bored or distracted. So it's like the Resistance against the Terminators. But there are also finite resources. We also have useful communications although it's not as secure.

Still, one can use a hybrid of code phrases and very specific old school signaling to orchestrate, say, a diversion elsewhere that draws a lot of attention to just the equivalent of a dumpster fire, and away from where you need to travel, but that only works with a well coordinated network.

And there's no guarantee there won't be spies in those networks that would let you be led straight into a trap.

Then doctors, nurses, etc. aren't trained in such stuff and they don't generally have the kind of connections to actually get a real pass to travel openly in the midst of such a lockdown, at least not for a while in such chaos. Then those who have other urgent situations, with no "official" connections, are just considered expendable chattel - the "others" - the "masses" or "serfs" like in the feudal days of yore.

It's a short step into the thousand years of darkness that we were warned about in 1964.


From: Showtalk


They should have to be trained  in combat or evasion techniques just to do their jobs.  The situation is bad.  It isn’t happening everywhere, though.  

Jeri (azpaints)

From: Jeri (azpaints)


If roads and freeways are locked, people can't get to the hospital, doctors or pharmacy.

A lot of the footage I saw didn't show them wearing masks, though.

And some of us were talking about "what if" yesterday afternoon. Like, all kinds of ways various bad actors could really turn these protests into a bloodbath that would make Tieneman Square seem like a walk in the park.

Since there were a couple of veterans who served in Iraq and Afghanistan around, and an older fellow who served in Vietnam, some detailed "how it could happen" scenarios came up. The consensus was - you don't want to be anywhere near those protests - because you don't know what some foreign or domestic terrorist might slip into the crowd, or unleash from blocks away.

And there are plenty of weapons of war to be found in assorted hot spots around the world, and probably plenty that have been "liberated" from various bases and evidence lockers over the years, some even still sitting in old duffel bags someone brought back from Vietnam or even World War 2.

So the talk went to some of the worst case scenarios, the kind of thing that would have a day of remembrance put on the calendars afterwards, the things that might rack up a body count in a single city block that could dwarf 9/11.

The most obvious is the suicide vest. This usually kills outright only a dozen or so that catch the brunt of the shrapnel, which includes bone fragments, teeth, and other bits of the bomber that go everywhere.

Then there is this:
Quietly he opened the window of the empty apartment. The residents were down protesting somewhere in the street. Knowing he could be tracked, his phone was left blocks away. Any pings would show he had never left the ruins of the gutted laundromat where he had originally hidden.

There they were. The mob that had ruined everything for him. And now they would pay. He fingered briefly the 40mm grenades, then slipped the first one into the M-79. It resembled nothing more than a very fat barreled shotgun. Carefully resting the barrel on the windowsill, he checked the range and elevated it.

The numbers were falling in his head, as he squeezed the trigger. With a surprisingly quiet "Pink" sound, with a hefty recoil, the first round was on its way. He quickly reloaded, let loose a second, then a third, walking each shot where they would hit about 50 to 100 feet apart, along the paths the crowd would flee in a panic, into the bottlenecks.

Four rounds, five, six, then he closed the window just as the first explosion flashed three blocks away. He drew the shades exactly as he had found them, picked up the spent casings which went back into the backpack, along with the broken down weapon.

He then calmly opened the door with his Covid-19 approved gloved hand, calmly walked down the hall, and took the elevator to the ground floor.

As he went out the front door, in his Covid-19 compliant mask and hood, he looked at the direction of screams faintly echoing, took a few steps towards them as if curious as to what was happening. He saw panicked people running his direction, turned, yelled in feigned panic, then sprinted for two blocks away from the commotion, quickly catching up to several others.

"What the hell was that?" he gasped.

"Don't know," came the reply.

"Probably not a good idea to stick around," he added breathlessly. "The pigs must have done something awful," and began to run again, now accompanied by two terrified, unwittingly recruited alibis for three more blocks until they split up.

Several minutes later, back in the relative safety of the gutted laundromat, he retrieved his phone from its hiding place in the restroom, dropped his pants, sat on the seat, then while emptying his bowels, checked his social media feed. "Are you OK?" several messages said, with increased urgency.

"I'm here. WTF is going on now?" he replied.

"Are you OK? What are you doing?"

"I'm OK. Still hung over. Taking a dump. Can I finish or are they coming this way again?"

kizmet1 said:

Works well for them. There was one guy arrested who had the worst tattoo over most of his face.

Now, boys and girls, this is reason number 4,095 why you should never get a tattoo on your face.


From: Showtalk


I know, it all shuts down.