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Jeri (azpaints)

From: Jeri (azpaints)

Jul-16

You might reconsider your example.  60 Million cases of H1N1 and estimates of 12,000 - 18,000 deaths, depending on sources.   A wee bit of difference from 135,000 deaths from Covid.
 

 From the CDC:

CDC Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Influenza Cases, Hospitalizations and Deaths in the United States

During the pandemic, CDC provided estimates of the numbers of 2009 H1N1 cases, hospitalizations and deaths on seven different occasions. Final estimates were published in 2011. These final estimates were that from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010 approximately 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (8868-18,306) occurred in the United States due to pH1N1. These final estimates are available at: Estimating the burden of 2009 pandemic influenza A (H1N1) in the United States (April 2009-April 2010)External Web Site Icon, Shrestha SS, et al., Clin Infect Dis. 2011 Jan 1;52 Suppl 1:S75-82.

Below are links to the different estimates published, including the final estimates. 

April – October 17, 2009 Estimates
April – November 14, 2009 Estimates
April – December 12, 2009 Estimates
April 2009 – January 16, 2010 Estimates
April 2009 – February 13, 2010 Estimates
April 2009 – March 13, 2010 Estimates
Final Estimates Published in May 2011External Web Site Icon

Jeri (azpaints)

From: Jeri (azpaints)

Jul-16

Deflecting attention from the rise in COVID-19 cases, President Donald Trump has repeatedly said the Obama administration “stopped testing” during the H1N1 pandemic. He’s correct that individual reporting was halted after a few months, but some testing did continue — and the two viruses are very different, making the comparison misleading.
 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/07/trump-misleads-on-h1n1-swine-flu-testing/

MerlinsDad said:

I'm really beginning to wonder if there is any reliable information about each state's coronavirus status

It's probably like the telescreen's blathering on about the production of pig iron and the Times' figures on the tens of millions of boots produced, which bears no semblance as to how many boots, if any, were actually produced. (from "1984")

"Winston, however, in rewriting the forecast, marked the figure down to fifty-seven millions, so as to allow for the usual claim that the quota had been overfulfilled. In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot. And so it was with every class of recorded fact, great or small. Everything faded away into a shadow-world in which, finally, even the date of the year had become uncertain."

MerlinsDad

From: MerlinsDad

Jul-17

Did you see this news item today (July 17)

Battles over wearing face coverings intensified even as the US shattered another daily coronavirus record and health officials warned hospitalizations are getting out of control in some areas.

There were 77,255 new cases reported Thursday, topping a previous high set two days ago, according to Johns Hopkins University. At least 943 people were reported dead that day [bolding mine --MD].
This relates to several conversations we've had.
Showtalk
Staff

From: Showtalk

Jul-17

If the COVID death count is accurate.  We don’t even know that because of the way they count it.  No one said it isn’t a serious illness.  But there was no reason for H1N1 to ever get out of control the way it did.  If we had figured out protocols then we might have been more prepared now.

MerlinsDad

From: MerlinsDad

Jul-17

Another interesting news item (July 17)

An unpublished document prepared for the White House coronavirus task force [bolding mine --MD] and obtained by the Center for Public Integrity, a nonprofit newsroom, recommends that 18 states in the coronavirus "red zone" for cases should roll back reopening measures amid surging cases.

The "red zone" is defined in the 359-page report as "those core-based statistical areas (CBSAs) and counties that during the last week reported both new cases above 100 per 100,000 population, and a diagnostic test positivity result above 10%."  The report outlines measures counties in the red zone should take. It encourages residents to "wear a mask at all times outside the home and maintain physical distance." And it recommends that public officials "close bars and gyms" and "limit social gatherings to 10 people or fewer," which would mean rolling back reopening provisions in these places.
 
The following 18 states are in the red zone for cases: Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Nevada, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Utah.
Note that Utah, where the lady was calling Covid_19 "a political stunt," is in the list of "red zone for cases."
 
[T]he following 11 states are in the red zone for test positivity: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Nevada, South Carolina, Texas, Washington. The 11 states in the red zone for test positivity are also in the red zone for cases, with the exception of Washington state. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/17/politics/white-house-states-hot-spots-task-force/index.html

The article notes that "The report comes despite President Donald Trump's insistence that states reopen and a push to send the nation's children back to school, even as cases increase.    "Now we're open, and we want to stay open and we will stay open. We're not closing. We'll put out the fires as they come out. . . ."

With 18 states in the red zone for cases, it would seem that the Trump fire department is not keeping up with the fires.

 

Jeri (azpaints)

From: Jeri (azpaints)

Jul-17

I saw where the CDC can now still receive reports.  I suspect DT forgot that states have their own Department  of Health and their own reporting laws so it would be impossible to hide the numbers. Plus John Hopkins does their own data collection.

Showtalk
Staff

From: Showtalk

Jul-17

After the mess in Florida, I am not surprised they need a better way to track.  100% positive tests and it’s barely been mentioned in the news. Why are they covering it up?

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