Showtalk said...

I was thinking confusion in January around inauguration time,

The confusion started Nov 04, 05, 06, 2020 and just continued to build into 2021.

We didn't even know who won the election even by Christmas 2020!!!

FWIW

The winner was declared back in November, based on count. Now, whether that count was correct or not is open to speculation. The side that won has shot down every attempt to change that and their minds are made up. At this point, even if it is proved the count was accurate, the other side won’t beleive it either. So there is a standoff in opinion but not results. The Arizona count anomalies may change future voting but they aren’t going to redo November.  There have been other times in history when mistaken counts were suspected, even proved, but nothing was ever done to fix it. The sad thing about all,of this is even in races that were fairly voted and counted, there will always be suspicion.

Showtalk said...

The Arizona count anomalies may change future voting but they aren’t going to redo November.

I don't doubt that one bit. It's too late now to attempt to do anything about Nov 2020.

Showtalk said...

There have been other times in history when mistaken counts were suspected, even proved, but nothing was ever done to fix it. The sad thing about all,of this is even in races that were fairly voted and counted, there will always be suspicion.

Absolutely, and thus we must find all of the problems with the Nov 2020 election and close all of the loopholes to reduce the errors and miscounts and as much suspicion as possible.

I don't think we can ever rule out all suspicion, but many things which are vague and lacking in clarity need to be tacked down and finalized before 2022 elections to make them much much better than Nov 2020!

Otherwise, we the American people (regardless of party) may not have any voice in the future if our votes don't count like they should!

FWIW

I don't know that anyone with any credibility found unfairness in the 20 election.

Arizona.  There was no investigation anywhere else because the courts shut it down. No one wanted to deal with the fall out either way.  I wanted to see the voting machines investigated, as well as all the other allegations by everyone, so we can all agree it was fair.  No one likes the thought that it might have been wrong.  If nothing else, they need to look closely at districts where 150-200% of possible voters turned in ballots.  That is not statistically possible.  Or the Republican district that had 100% votes for Democrats and 0% for Republicans.  

Showtalk said:

If nothing else, they need to look closely at districts where 150-200% of possible voters turned in ballots. That is not statistically possible. Or the Republican district that had 100% votes for Democrats and 0% for Republicans.

I've heard a lot of talk of that happening but have yet to see any credible evidence of it.  I would think by now someone would have been able to prove it.

The courts refuse to let them air any of their findings because no one wants to be responsible for the chaos that would ensue.   As a result we don’t know.  If you look closely at the anomalies, it’s statistically impossible for them to happen. Not just a small chance but not possible.  Arizona finally allowed it and found, just as they suspected, a lot of mess in the voting process.  Voting is actually very simple when handled properly.  

YWN666 said...

I don't know that anyone with any credibility found unfairness in the 20 election.

In Michigan, there were over 140 signed and notarized legal affidavits of illegal activity.

In a nutshell, an affidavit is a sworn statement that is in writing. Affidavits are usually used in a court or in negotiations. They are common in family law cases and bankruptcy cases. They are also used in civil and criminal cases, though not as often as family or bankruptcy law cases. They must be notarized and you must swear that the facts contained in an affidavit are true and correct. When you notarize an affidavit, you must also sign it in front of witnesses. Generally, banks will notarize affidavits and other documents for you and will provide witnesses.

But the state AG said there was no credibility to the claims. Over 140 sworn and signed and notarized affidavits but the AG says that's not proof or credible! The AG threw it out. Even though there were over 140 sworn in witnesses with signed affidavits.

Ignoring all those affidavits and not allowing them to be used in court is unfair to say the least.

FWIW

YWN666 said...

I've heard a lot of talk of that happening but have yet to see any credible evidence of it.  I would think by now someone would have been able to prove it.

When you have over 100 lawyers attempting to block, prevent, stall, de-legitimize, postpone a legitimate audit, you know something is wrong.

If this were the fairest election in history as the Democrats claim, then they wouldn't even need a single lawyer... much less 100 of them. Do you know how much the hourly legal fees for lawyers are? Now multiply that for 8 hours a day for 3 weeks for 100 lawyers. And that's not including their lodging and food expenses. Why are the Democrats spending this much money for the general public to just simply find out exactly how fair the election really was... or was not.

Now, on another note, if there were hanky panky going on, illegal activity going on, then one would want to CYA to prevent the general public at large from finding out what illegal activity they did. That's what the 100 lawyers and their exorbitant fees are for. To cover up and prevent the truth from coming out.

AG's dismissing legal affidavits of wrong doing. Requests for access to actual voting machines denied. Access to routers denied. Requests for the admin passwords to various devices denied.

What one can see is a large number of people in numerous states all attempting to sabotage, discredit and/or stop legal audits at every turn they can. That is more than just suspicious.

Arizona has been asking for these things since the end of Nov 2020, but it wasn't until Apr 2021 that final approval to move forward was given. (i.e. A 6 month stall when the requests were made over 6 months ago. But only recently have the courts decided to let it continue.)

And now, even with just partial Arizona results, other states are also starting to follow suit and looking into their own ballots to see what kind of fraud they too might be able to turn up.

FWIW