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Should our desert communities make water from air?   The Consumer You: Marketplace

Started 6/30/21 by Showtalk; 11413 views.
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From: Showtalk 

7/20/21

I remember that unexpected snow storm.

WALTER784 said:

But it's stupid to erect them facing North in the first place. Didn't the owners say anything?

I don't know who lives there - it's just a random house on the way to and from work.

It wouldn't surprise me if they had no idea. I've seen plenty of evidence where people are incredibly clueless about how their infrastructure works.

Showtalk said:

I remember that unexpected snow storm.

And the lawsuits keep on hitting the electric reliability board and similar outfits about as fast as bird crap on cars parked beneath the power lines when all the grackles roost at the mall.

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From: WALTER784 

7/20/21

$1,661.87 in cats (ROCKETMAN_S) said...

It wouldn't surprise me if they had no idea. I've seen plenty of evidence where people are incredibly clueless about how their infrastructure works.

It's mind boggling to say the least that we have so many stupid people living among us these days.

In the not too distant future, we need to change the thinking about "wearing the stupid sign" to "wearing the I'm not stupid sign" once the stupids become the majority! (* GULP *)

FWIW

WALTER784 said:

In the not too distant future, we need to change the thinking about "wearing the stupid sign" to "wearing the I'm not stupid sign" once the stupids become the majority! (* GULP *)

Brawndo. It's got electrolytes!

One of the few movies made since 2000 that I have seen. "Idiocracy".

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From: WALTER784 

7/21/21

$1,661.87 in cats (ROCKETMAN_S) said...

One of the few movies made since 2000 that I have seen. "Idiocracy".

I've heard about it but not seen it.

FWIW

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From: Showtalk 

7/21/21

Were people seriously harmed by the outages?

  • Edited July 21, 2021 6:19 pm  by  Showtalk
Showtalk said:

Were people seriously harmed by the outages?

Yes. 111 confirmed deaths and billions in property damage.

most of the deaths were carbon monoxide poisoning and hypothermia. Quite a few died in cars idling trying to get warm or charge their phones to have communication as the power stayed out for days.

Some were found frozen to death in their beds, wrapped in all the blankets they could possibly find, with indoor temperatures well below freezing because so many homes were built as "total electric".

Others were found dead of carbon monoxide poisoning from bringing barbecue grilles and other things indoors and lighting them in a desperate attempt to keep from freezing.

And then finally around Friday the 19th, temperatures climbed above freezing and things thawed all over the state. That is when the property damage went through the roof.

A lot of "McMansions" were built with almost no insulation, and water pipes were all in the exterior walls. During days without heat, these pipes froze solid. As any first semester chemistry student knows, water is one of the rare substances that expands, rather forcefully, as it freezes.

Elemental bismuth is one of the others, which forms incredibly iridescent crystal patterns due to the expansion as it solidifies.

Well, as pipes thawed, municipal water systems suddenly had demand of tens of millions of gallons per minute. They couldn't maintain enough water pressure to maintain a sanitary system, which led to the boil water notices.

But that water wasn't coming out of faucets. It sprayed out of burst pipes in the walls of hundreds of thousands of homes. Many people had fled in their cars and now came home to a flooded house. It ruined drywall. It mildewed carpet It quickly promoted the growth of black mold.

Many houses are still, months later, uninhabitable.

Every bit of pipe and plumbing fittings were sold out by the end of February, and there remain shortages even now.

There are people who lost fingers, toes, parts of their noses and lips to frostbite. Some developed respiratory problems from which they have not recovered.

so the lawsuits are easily mounting into the tens of billions of dollars in property damage alone, and uncounted more in bodily injury / medical bills.

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From: Showtalk 

7/30/21

That was very serious considering it was a freak snowstorm.

and the fecal matter is still hitting the air impeller. Claims are going to be tied up in court for a very long time.

And now with Delta variant Covid sweeping through the state due to too-lax protocols that could have gotten ahead of it, things are likely to take even longer to be resolved.

A friend of mine who is fully vaccinated is getting over a breakthrough infection right now. He thinks he caught it getting a snack at a "stop and rob" (convenience store) last week, probably from one of the dozens of unmasked, unvaccinated people packed into the store.

The doctors told him he's lucky. As ill as he became, a full 3 months after full vaccination, they say he probably would have been on a ventilator or in the morgue by now if not vaccinated.

I did mention my sister found out she had an asymptomatic case of breakthrough covid, also the Delta variant (they are doing a lot more genome sequencing in New Mexico than in Texas).

So far I haven't noticed any symptoms or other reason to get tested, but we have a huge outbreak of Delta among the unvaccinated. As my friend who is recovering from it says, they play stupid games, they win stupid prizes. He is staying put and well isolated, because evidently if you get a breakthrough infection of Delta variant, you are still going to be infectious.

The actual breakthrough infection rate is suspected at a couple of percent or so, but that can vary by quite a bit, and of course the actual statistics are only knowable after the fact from known cases, which may modify early extrapolations. It's really a matter of trying to get into the ballpark as to risk factors and severity from a handful of data points, and those numbers get fleshed out better as cases rise.

So my suspicion is the fully vaccinated breakthrough rate with Delta might be as high as 10% if you're exposed to it, because Delta is much, much more contagious than the original, and evidently an unvaccinated individual who catches Delta may have a viral load up to a thousand times higher than the previous strains.

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