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88% fully vaxed and new cases still risi   The Serious You: How Current Events Affect You

Started 10/20/21 by WALTER784; 21243 views.
WALTER784
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From: WALTER784

1/20/22

Many have already flocked out of California & New York, some for Oregon and Washington State too. This is just going to cause even more to leave.

The sad thing is that the poor won't have the monies to move out.

FWIW

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From: Showtalk

1/20/22

They voted for those policies, though. So they will get to remain masked forever.

WALTER784
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From: WALTER784

1/20/22

Stupid is as stupid does...

You can't fix stupid. Replace them yes, but you can't fix 'em.!

FWIW

 

WALTER784 said:

But the spread of Omicron is so quick, that it displaces Delta quite rapidly... not requiring "a while" to reach a new equilibrium

Even Omicron is pretty bad if one isn't fully vaccinated, and breakthrough infections are nearly inevitable. The secondary deaths are going to be worse - not from Covid but from the heart attacks, strokes, traffic accidents, shootings and stabbings because someone's favorite product is out of stock and they wig out and go off the deep end to take out their rage on some unlucky bystander or poorly paid waitstaff.

And of course with hospitals filling up again, they won't be able to get timely medical interventions, so they bleed out or they go into full cardiac arrest and there's no one with the energy to try CPR, and the avalanche of other things that happen with access to health care and ongoing treatments interrupted.

There will be a lot of preventable cancer deaths from screenings missed, there will be the diabetes that due to not getting properly monitored, turns to kidney failure and / or blindness. There's the runaway triglycerides and arteriosclerosis that leads to premature heart attacks, there's the aneurysms that get missed and burst, there's the delays in all sorts of lifesaving or quality of life maintenance treatments that result in numerous irreversible medical outcomes for an awful lot of people.

There will be the special needs kids and excess stillbirths due to delayed or lack of timely prenatal, obstetrical and neonatal intervention that will cost millions and millions to the economy over their lifetimes.

And I know people who are delaying all sorts of residential and other maintenance where there is a risk of getting injured precisely because they might wait so long to be seen at the emergency room that whatever treatment could keep them out of a wheelchair for the rest of their life or keep the use of a hand, a limb, an eye, or their mobility, is delayed until the post-trauma damage becomes irreversible.

Throw in icy roads and drivers that have no clue, desperate to get to work or else, and we're going to see traffic fatalities spike as well. And in addition to the fatalities, there's the hidden number of those who will need a lifetime of support and care due to permanent life-altering injuries that they survive, but the quality of life is so bad that they might have been better off to have been killed outright at the scene rather than slowly bleed out or have permanent tissue necrosis while waiting to be seen due to all the Covid cases in front of them.

Jeri (azpaints)

From: Jeri (azpaints)

1/20/22

My DH was injured in March, 2021 and is still unable to get the knee surgery recommended.  He can walk, wears a brace so it's not a live or death issue, but could be a lifetime pain issue.

WALTER784
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From: WALTER784

1/21/22

$1,661.87 in cats (ROCKETMAN_S) said...

The secondary deaths are going to be worse - not from Covid but from the heart attacks, strokes, traffic accidents, shootings and stabbings because someone's favorite product is out of stock and they wig out and go off the deep end to take out their rage on some unlucky bystander or poorly paid waitstaff.

Yep, those and perhaps a lot of other deaths due to illnesses caused by the weakening of our immune system from the Covid vaccine itself.

We still have a few more months of the really cold coming up too for those who live in the northern areas.

Edited to add: Perhaps even a few of the southern areas might get snowfall in the next month or two.

FWIW

 

  • Edited January 21, 2022 2:54 am  by  WALTER784
Jeri (azpaints) said:

He can walk, wears a brace so it's not a live or death issue, but could be a lifetime pain issue.

Indeed. And it is those who are going to add up to an enormous long term economic impact. Those who lose the ability to perform their chosen trade or profession due to untreated injury that then becomes a chronic disability that can no longer be repaired will have an enormous impact on the overall economy over their lifetimes.

We lose their valuable output, and they also usually take a lot of caregiver time - usually someone else who has to either leave the workforce or greatly cut back on what else they do.

So every untreated injury and illness, even if it's a long ways from being a life or death issue, becomes a large quality of life and long term financial issue.

It has a multiplier effect that drains away a lot of resources they could otherwise have allocated in a beneficial way.

So there's the former carpenter who is no longer able to swing a hammer, the trucker who is sidelined, and it has a domino effect through the entire economy.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/disability-and-health

Then there's those with mental health and neurological issues whose treatment is disrupted that make up another column of formerly productive members of the economy who end up sidelined.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8207074/

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6936a4.htm
... Medical services for persons with disabilities might also be disrupted because of reduced availability of accessible transportation, ....

https://newsroom.heart.org/news/covid-19-tsunami-of-chronic-health-conditions-expected-research-health-care-disrupted
Tsunami of chronic health conditions expected

DALLAS, April 6, 2021 — A tsunami of chronic health conditions as a result of the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, especially cardiometabolic disease, may produce an enormous wave of death and disability that demands immediate, comprehensive strategies. In addition, COVID-19 has disrupted cardiovascular science and medicine, yet it presents opportunities to transform and create novel approaches that can yield new successes. These are the opinions of two esteemed leaders in cardiovascular disease care, research and strategy, detailed in two new Frame of Reference articles published today in the American Heart Association’s flagship journal Circulation. ...

The first article, “Avoiding the Coming Tsunami of Common, Chronic Disease: What the Lessons of the COVID-19 Pandemic Can Teach Us,” is authored by Robert M. Califf, M.D. He is the head of clinical policy and strategy at Verily Life Sciences and Google Health, a former commissioner of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, former vice chancellor for health data science at Duke University School of Medicine and the founding director of the Duke Clinical Research Institute. ...

WALTER784 said:

perhaps a lot of other deaths due to illnesses caused by the weakening of our immune system from the Covid vaccine itself.

That factor is statistically, however, a proverbial drop in a bucket compared to everything else. Because vaccines just stimulate the immune system to be on the lookout for pathogens that have that specific outer protein shape. It doesn't work like AIDs to weaken the immune system. It can, like any new substance, trigger a massive over-reaction in the form of anaphylaxis, in a very unlucky few.

Those numbers are quite low when taken in light of the huge raft of other risks one takes every single day.

What is most likely to be the biggest statistical risk of injury at the end of a chain of events set in motion by Covid vaccine is a traffic accident due to impairment from fatigue in the first few days, or distraction from the muscle aches and just being a little off of one's full cognitive and motor skill performance and just pushing through the side effects and operating heavy machinery or driving instead of getting enough rest in the day or two afterwards.

So I suspect there have been more people who went to work at the meat packing plant and got a thumb sliced off, or rolled through a stop sign and killed some random pedestrian, than had a permanent life altering negative effect of the vaccine itself.

So those are way down in the background noise floor compared to the other injuries and illnesses exacefbated by forgoing needed medical care for things that have been going on well before the pandemic and  will keep happening long after it is just a question junior high kids miss on a history exam and only a few great-grandparents have any firsthand memory of the actual pandemic.

Jeri (azpaints)

From: Jeri (azpaints)

1/22/22

The effects are like the ripples after throwing a rock into a lake...and many of them 90% of the people dont think about, understand or care about

Jeri (azpaints) said:

The effects are like the ripples after throwing a rock into a lake...and many of them 90% of the people dont think about, understand or care about

Until it happen to them.

Then they become part of the 1-5% for whom that's about all they think about, spend most of their waking hours looking up ways to understand to get a feel for what else is coming down the pipe, and it consumes their whole life.

The rest just blissfully go on, ignorant that one mis-step is all it will take to suddenly join the ranks of the unlucky few.

That's one of the reasons I am one of the few consistent (R) types who believes we really need a universal healthcare. It's the kind of risk that can strike anyone, any time, independent of whether or not they are working and have good benefits at that moment. And mainly because a serious injury or chronic condition is most likely to remove someone from the workforce participation, at least full time, and present disability forces them to be permanently sidelined just to get access to ongoing care, and bars them from then doing anything to improve their lives once they have gotten any successful treatment, because if they make $1 too much, they instantly face a effective marginal "tax rate" from loss of benefits that is effectively about 15,000% to 250,000% depending on just what their medical maintenance cost really is.

So getting out and earning even a tiny pittance suddenly leaves them totally exposed to hundreds to thousands of times more in loss of benefits.

Thu there is a huge disincentive to ever try and do anything productive afterwards, because that extra dollar could cost you hundreds of thousands.

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