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What do you think about the Biden’s new puppy and rehoming Major?   The Serious You: How Current Events Affect You

Started 12/21/21 by Showtalk; 6614 views.
WALTER784

From: WALTER784 

12/24/21

OK then... from a dog loving perspective... and I'm not afraid to divulge my age...

I was born in 1958... that's the Chinese calendar year of the "dog"... LOL... so I'll start from there.

The dog was previously rescue and had never bitten anybody before. He was used to the quite of his own home and only family members around.

All of a sudden, he's brought to the White House. He was used to romping around outside (in a fenced in area) with only family members around but now, in the White House, he immediately has contact with literally tens if not hundreds of unknown faces near by.

Usually, Joe or his wife let the dog out of the house or cage where ever he was kept to run around and play. Now, at the White House, having Joe or his wife take the dog outside is a possible security risk, of which the dog himself knows nothing about. So they have a staff member take the dog outside.

Major bites the staff member that let him our or somebody else in the White House. After the first bite, that dog should have been restricted to family only areas and not allowed outside that area unless a family member took him out. If that's a security risk, then discussion of taking the dog back home should have been started right then and there.

Then another bite... at this time, mandatory removal of the dog from the White House should have been demanded. But apparently, he bit several more times. That should have never escalated past the 2nd bite. The first bite... forgivable with reluctance. The second bite... no way... out of there. There never ever should have been a third, fourth or more bites!

Rescue or not. A biting dog is not welcome around a lot of people and there are always lots of people at the White House.

Nuff said.

FWIW

Showtalk
Host

From: Showtalk 

12/25/21

I agree.  The dog had 8 bites in a week before they finally let him back home.

DW (GSDogwalker)

From: DW (GSDogwalker) 

12/28/21

They have shown the world they can’t handle a dog. They should stick with the cat.  They don’t have time for a German Shepherd, someone else will raise and own the dog.  It will literally be the handler’s dog but owned by the Bidens.  That is not good ownership.  They are pretending they are going to be the owners and handlers, but in reality someone else is doing all the work for them.  In the show world, they happens, but show owners don’t pretend they are the ones doing the work.  I need to invite Selzer to weigh in.

DW (GSDogwalker)

From: DW (GSDogwalker) 

12/28/21

Would you please respond to this? You have more dog experience than anyone I know.

WALTER784

From: WALTER784 

12/29/21

It they wanted a dog, they should have gotten a toy poodle.

FWIW

DW (GSDogwalker)

From: DW (GSDogwalker) 

12/30/21

Poodles need training. They are active dogs. I just got scratched by one when I tried to say hello.  She ran up my leg. 

WALTER784

From: WALTER784 

12/30/21

I think that just about all animals that we keep as pets need training.

But the bigger the animal, the more ferocious they can be and thus the larger the animal, the more meticulous training would be required. (i.e. an elephant vs a hamster, a Great Dane vs a parakeet, a horse vs a poodle, etc.)!

FWIW

DW (GSDogwalker)

From: DW (GSDogwalker) 

12/30/21

That is correct. I don’t want to get off the topic of Biden and his dogs.  He and Jill love their pets. They are careless owners.  If the dog is trained then the real owner is the main handler.  It sounds like a staged photo op to boost poll ratings.

WALTER784

From: WALTER784 

12/31/21

As for careless owners... yes... I think that description fits them fairly well.

Commander seems to be trained a bit better. I wonder if Major ever bit any of their family members?

But I don't think that a staged photo op will do much to improve his ratings. He needs to do something more than just pose for a picture to get his ratings up.

FWIW

selzer

From: selzer 

12/31/21

I've probably already said enough about it.  We don't know if Major had a terrible temperament, weak nerves, or just a aggressive streak that could be managed with training and leadership, mental and physical exercise, and proper socialization.  We don't know.  But first on my list for German Shepherds is Management.  

My List (in order)

Management

Leadership

Training

Exercise

Socialization. 

I harp a lot about these.  You can't do a lot about temperament if your dog has weak nerves, and is prone to bite if pressed.  I mean, if you zap a scared dog with an e-collar, you are likely to get an even more scared dog.  But if you zap a dog with good nerves but just full of himself, or just not clear about negative markers, because all of his people are softies, and he thinks "No." means "maybe, yeah... ok"  that actually may work.  But if it is a temperament deal, you cannot necessarily change the weak temperament, but you can always MANAGE the dog and situations.  Therefore, there is no excuse for your dog biting 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, people in as many days.   Someone bright enough to run the country ought to be able to manage his own dog. 

Yeah, ok, so we've heard all the excuses, the dog was a shelter dog (that the Bidens had since a young puppy).  But there is no excuse for the lack of management.  I don't give a darn if the dog bites whenever it rains, or thunders, or sees guys with ball caps, or fill in the blank.  Once you know you have a dog that WILL bite, you make that an impossibility.  Ok, if the dog bites a vet or vet tech while they are handling them, and they know the dog WILL bite -- that is a special case.  That is not the case here.  I am just trying to find ANY scenario where they get off the hook.  (I'm not a Biden-fan or anything, I guess I am trying to foresee possible arguments and head them off at the pass. 

For an aged couple who both have high stress jobs with lots of travel, lots of society parties, visitors, insanity, to bring in another German Shepherd Puppy, that is just nuts.  I don't care if they have staff to walk the puppy and clean up his dukey.  Don't matter.  They have no business getting another GSD until they are retired from the White House, and probably by then, they STILL have no business getting a breed where the normal temperament requires management, leadership, training, exercise, and socialization, or the dog will LIKELY bite people.  If the dog doesn't have leadership, he will take on the leadership position and likely bite people -- not his fault.  If the dog is not trained, probably going to bite people -- not his fault.  If the dog is not given and mental and physical outlet, may very well bite people -- maybe not his fault.   If the dog is not socialized, will probably bite people.  

I have a dog with a "proper" GSD temperament.  He sired service dogs and a police K9.  He will bite people.  So far, he is perfectly fine when I am with him.  Because he trusts me.  I might nick his nads anyway, because that boy is too big for his britches sometimes.  But somewhere between leadership and training a bond between you and your dog ought to develop.  This is why having staff or a professional trainer for the pup is not a good idea.  The dog needs to have confidence in his owners.  When he is with his owners, he should not feel the need to bite ordinary people doing their ordinary thing.  What the heck good is a bond with a professional trainer?  And yet the GSD site is filled with people so blinded by their liberal democrat nonsense that what they say to everyone else, just doesn't apply,  

They tell a college student to wait and not get a puppy until they are more settled.  They tell folks who want a "watered down" GSD to get a golden or a lab and leave the GSDs for experienced people.  

Now, Commander looks like either a West German Showline or an American Bred dog.  I only got a quick look at him, but he doesn't look working line at all.  Maybe he will not be biting people.  Maybe.  I think it is the height of irresponsibility to bring in a German Shepherd Puppy after the mess with Major.  Maybe he was too weak-nerved to handle life at the WH, but there's just no excuse for the dog to bite person after person after person -- that is on the owners.  And I wouldn't have sold them a puppy.  And I sell to dems, I sell to people getting up there in age, It is not about whether or not I like people's politics, etc, it is about what is right for this dog, right here, right now.  The Bidens are not right for ANY dog right here and right now.  They certainly are not right for an intelligent, active, working dog, bred to work with humans and to work sometimes without humans, to obey and sometimes to not obey what their human tells them, to think and solve problems. 

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