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"Backing off a campaign pledge, President Bush told Congress Tuesday he will not regulate carbon dioxide emissions from power plants.
The decision, outlined in a letter sent to a Republican senator, came after furious lobbying from the coal industry. It was a blow to conservationists who see curbing emissions of such ''greenhouse gases'' as key to reducing global warming. The letter cited skyrocketing energy costs, particularly in the West, as one reason for Bush's about-face."


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"What the heck. I -- of course there's a lot -- look, global warming
needs to be taken very seriously" President Bush on this same issue in the October 11, 2000 presidential debate


From: Glen (GEAATL) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host7/15/01 8:09 PM 
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Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Two new studies released Thursday provide the strongest evidence yet that greenhouse gases are causing the Earth's oceans to warm, further strengthening the case that global warming is real and is being caused at least in part by air pollution, researchers said. Previous research had shown that the Atlantic, Pacific and Indian oceans --- covering 72 percent of the Earth's surface --- have collectively warmed, on average, about one-tenth of a degree Fahrenheit since 1955. But whether that was caused by global warming has been far from clear. The new studies, based on parallel computer climate models, show a direct connection between rising ocean temperatures and emissions of carbon dioxide and other gases that can trap heat in the atmosphere.


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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Washington

"President Bush, after faulting the Kyoto climate treaty for excluding developing nations from its requirements, wants to cut U.S. aid for helping them combat global warming. While asking Congress for nearly $4 billion to address climate change, roughly the same as last year, Bush proposes reducing assistance to other countries by $41 million from last year's $165 million. He calls for shifting more responsibility to private industry. The figures are contained in a June 29 report, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press, that Bush sent to House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) and Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.), the Senate president pro tem. The White House had no comment Friday. The 52-page report provides the first public look at Bush spending on climate change. The issue, along with Bush's related energy policies, has become increasingly prominent with Bush's reversal of a campaign pledge to regulate carbon dioxide pollution and his rejection of the 1997 Kyoto accord, which has been broadly supported but not ratified by any U.S. allies in Europe."


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From: Glen (GEAATL) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host7/15/01 8:13 PM 
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SOURCE: Newsweek

Meteorologist Lindzen Tells Bush 'Kyoto Would Be to Do Nothing at Great Expense'

NEW YORK, July 15 -- With the Kyoto plan to reduce carbon dioxide emissions effectively dead, attention is turning to meteorologist Richard Lindzen perhaps the most well-respected voice of dissent against the environmentalist view of global warming. Lindzen, called to the White House to talk to President George W. Bush after he turned his back on Kyoto, told Bush that even if doomsday forecasts were to be believed, ``Kyoto would be to do nothing at great expense,'' Newsweek reports in the July 23 Asia edition (on newsstands overseas Monday, July 16, and available at ).

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Lindzen is not a complete skeptic about global warming. He concedes that the earth is getting warmer, and that human activity might have something to do with it, but no one knows how warm it will get. And Lindzen doesn't think scientists have a very good handle on how the earth's atmosphere will respond to increased levels of carbon dioxide either. He finds empirical flaws in their computer programs and models designed to simulate what the earth's climate will be like a 100 years from now. ``In the scientific methodology,'' he says, ``simulation is the weakest link. To say you've simulated something is to say very little.'' Whereas most of these simulation models predict a warming of 3 or 4 degrees centigrade in the next 100 years, Lindzen's calculations suggest less than 1 degree, a figure that makes Kyoto seem downright laughable, writes Senior Editor Fred Guterl, in the cover package on global warming.

But most climate scientists, it is fair to say, disagree. They stick by their models, despite the flaws. ``It's easy for Lindzen to criticize,'' says a scientist who works on the climate models Lindzen disparages. ``But he's a theorist, not a modeler. He points out errors, but he's not the one who necessarily has to correct them.'' Yet, Lindzen's defiance serves as a reminder that climate scientists, despite their newfound relevance to policy and public renown, are still grappling with huge gaps in their knowledge.

Strongly at odds with Lindzen's opinion, environmentalists are preaching doomsday sermons to the public. And nothing gets people into the streets like the fear of extinction, writes Paris Bureau Chief Christopher Dickey. The idea that this slow-motion apocalypse is caused by greenhouse gases, which are generated by fossil fuels sold by enormous multinational corporations, makes it the perfect unifying force for global protest. And many activists say Bush actually helped their cause by rejecting Kyoto. ``Greenpeace would never have done as much good as he [Bush] did on March 13 when he rejected the Kyoto Protocol,'' says a climate adviser to Greenpeace International.


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BERLIN (Reuters)

"The United Nations (news - web sites)' top environment official was quoted on Saturday as saying negotiators meeting next week in Bonn had a moral obligation to salvage the Kyoto protocol on climate change. Klaus Toepfer, head of the U.N. Environment Program (UNEP), said unless action was taken immediately the earth faced temperature increases of between 1.4 and 5.8 degrees Celsius. ``Decisive action against this climate catastrophe is factually and morally compulsory -- and definitely achievable,'' Toepfer wrote in a guest column due to appear on Sunday in Germany's Bild am Sonntag newspaper."


From: Glen (GEAATL) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host7/18/01 7:22 AM 
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BONN, Germany (AP)

"Delegates at talks on a treaty limiting emissions of "greenhouse gases" expressed disappointment at the United States' rejection of the pact without offering an alternative. "For all countries, participation of the United States is the best scenario," Japanese Environment Minister Yuriko Kawaguchi said Tuesday as she arrived in Bonn, Germany, for 180-nation talks on the Kyoto pact, which would cut emissions of gases believed to be heating up the atmosphere.
With the United States standing aside, Japan's role is crucial. The accord can only enter into force if backed by 55 countries, representing 55 percent of the industrialized world's emissions. If Japan pulls out, the second target can't be reached."


From: Glen (GEAATL) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host7/19/01 10:48 AM 
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BONN, Germany (Reuters)

"Environment ministers fought to save the Kyoto global warming pact in Germany on Thursday, but hopes of persuading the world's biggest polluter, the United States, to modify its opposition started to fade. Officials, notably from the accord's strongest backer Europe, talked up the chances of a deal on cutting greenhouse gas emissions that would put right last year's failed summit at The Hague.
But President Bush has left the process in a quandary by going back on agreements made by Bill Clinton, his predecessor. He said in March he would not approve the final Kyoto Protocol, whatever came out of the negotiations in Bonn. "America has greatly complicated the whole process," Ukrainian Ecology Minister Serhiy Kurykin told Reuters as talks stepped up a gear with the arrival of ministers after three days of lower-level negotiations in Germany's former capital, Bonn."


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BONN, Germany (Reuters)

"The United States' chief negotiator at U.N. climate talks in Bonn told fellow delegates on Thursday that Washington would not ratify the Kyoto accord on global warming, whatever the result of the meeting. "Though the United States will not ratify the Kyoto Protocol, we will not abdicate our responsibilities," Undersecretary of State Paula Dobriansky said at an open negotiating session involving delegates from 185 countries. "While we do not believe the Kyoto Protocol is sound public policy for the United States, we do not intend to prevent others from going ahead with the treaty so long as they do not harm legitimate U.S. interests." President Bush said after taking office this year that the 1997 Kyoto accord, forcing industrial states to cut emissions of greenhouse gases, was "fatally flawed"


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GENOA (Reuters)

"Canada told Japan on Friday it wanted changes to the Kyoto accord on curbing greenhouse gases to take greater account of its carbon-absorbing forests. Prime Ministers Jean Chretien of Canada and Junichiro Koizumi of Japan, meeting before the start of a Group of Eight summit in Italy, affirmed their commitment to press ahead with Kyoto as soon as possible, a Japanese official said. "Mr. Chretien said he was in total agreement with Mr. Koizumi, but he said Canada wanted three changes to the accord in its current form," Japanese Deputy Chief Cabinet Secretary Kosei Ueno told reporters. He quoted Chretien as saying that Canada's vast forests absorbed considerable amounts of carbon dioxide and that the so-called carbon-sink effect should be given due consideration in setting emission targets for global warming gases."


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