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From: Saffire (SAFFIREM)11/27/03 10:00 AM 
To: All  (1 of 9) 
From the PUC list:

FROM: Pagan Unity Campaign

Date: Nov. 26th, 2003

Subject: Offensive bigoted prejudicial quote by James Towey on behalf
of the White House.

Contact: Ginger@P... (828) 230-1273

James Towey the White House Deputy Assistant to the President and
Director, Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives hosted a Q
and A session on web site today, and amazingly
answered a thoughtful question for a PUC staffer, with this idiotic
bigoted reply:

------------Quoted from 11/26/2003---

Colby, from Centralia MO writes:
Do you feel that Pagan faith based groups should be given the same
considerations as any other group that seeks aid? Jim Towey
I haven't run into a pagan faith-based group yet, much less a pagan
group that cares for the poor! Once you make it clear to any
applicant that public money must go to public purposes and can't be
used to promote ideology, the fringe groups lose interest. Helping
the poor is tough work and only those with loving hearts seem drawn
to it.

---------------------end of quote------------------------------

The Pagan Community needs to make the administration aware that not
only do members of minority faiths have "loving hearts" But that we
in fact DON'T EVER try to promote ideology like the Christian faiths
who base their whole religions on 'saving' others. We also need to
snow under this man's office with introductions of the varied and
numerous Pagan faith-based groups that of course "care for the poor."

PUC encourages all Pagans to send Mr.Towey Yule cards this Yuletide
season, along with PUC. Together we shall try to educate this man who
is suppose to be a religious expert for the current administration,
about the various Faiths who have followers in Lady Liberty's land!!!

Address your cards, letters, telephone calls, and faxes to him at:

Jim Towey, Director
The White House
Washington, DC 20502
(202) 456-6708 (phone)
(202) 456-7019 (fax)


I checked out the link and indeed it's there... it saddens my heart that our efforts are not being seen or acknowledged. I urge everyone to write... if you've given anything... food, money, time, whatever let this administration KNOW that we don't need a church to collect food. We don't need dogma to tell us to care for the poor. Obviously we do this without thanks, recognition or gratitude.

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From: MissBanjo DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host11/27/03 3:19 PM 
To: Saffire (SAFFIREM)  (2 of 9) 
 8699.2 in reply to 8699.1 
Oh I'll be writing to the moron and everyone else there.

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From: Tarty (RAVENGIL) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host11/27/03 11:01 PM 
To: Saffire (SAFFIREM)  (3 of 9) 
 8699.3 in reply to 8699.1 
What a jerk!

My cards will be sent


From: Ralph (RBGlatt)11/28/03 1:06 PM 
To: Saffire (SAFFIREM)  (4 of 9) 
 8699.4 in reply to 8699.1 
Can I just go over and pimp slap the jerk? ;-)

Be your own hero.

From: Saffire (SAFFIREM)11/28/03 7:13 PM 
To: Ralph (RBGlatt)  (5 of 9) 
 8699.5 in reply to 8699.4 
You pimp slap? Ralph.. I never thought you the violent type.. though this sh!t has my panties in a wad too...

I will be sending him and a few folks Yule cards... and I think this year... I'm getting a little political with all my cards... for the family, the business... even these fools... I think John Lennon's Happy Christmas/War is Over lyrics are very fitting this year...


From: Ralph (RBGlatt)11/29/03 12:33 PM 
To: Saffire (SAFFIREM)  (6 of 9) 
 8699.6 in reply to 8699.5 
Well, he obviously doesn't know anything about the Pagan community, nor is he really trying to find anything out. Anyone that stupid deserves a good smack across the head.

Be your own hero.

From: Saffire (SAFFIREM)11/29/03 4:29 PM 
To: Ralph (RBGlatt)  (7 of 9) 
 8699.7 in reply to 8699.6 
Worst part is he doesn't CARE... he could have worded it sooo much differently.. like something like "while I've never met a Pagan group that's been charitable to the poor, perhaps there is a group interterested in doing so" or something like that but to so brazenly brush it off? Like we're a bunch of uncaring codgers?

A friend of mine [Pagan] went to give the Salvation Army bell ringer a dollar the other day... the bell ringer almost didn't take it! She looked at my friend's pent and actually, visually hesitated. *sigh* WTF... a buck's a buck right? It was hard earned and given freely and that's ALL that should matter... sad part is it isn't to some narrow minded fools. (yes, fools)


From: Ralph (RBGlatt)11/29/03 11:38 PM 
To: Saffire (SAFFIREM)  (8 of 9) 
 8699.8 in reply to 8699.7 
*ahem* Please stop insulting fools like that. ;-)

PS like my sig pic?

Be your own hero.

From: Saffire (SAFFIREM)11/30/03 8:30 AM 
To: Ralph (RBGlatt)  (9 of 9) 
 8699.9 in reply to 8699.8 
Ah but you are no mere mortal fool, my dear.. ;) LOL...


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