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From: Bluehawk (Bluehawk9)1/19/04 9:51 PM 
To: Alli (AlliJaguar) Poll  (2 of 8) 
 8779.2 in reply to 8779.1 
Then again, there's Hugh de Mandeville's advice on dealing with suspected Cathars - followed by many for the past 800 years or so..."Kill them all, God will know His own."

Any mutual respect or quiet tolerance for that point of view?


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From: Alli (AlliJaguar)1/20/04 3:51 PM 
To: Bluehawk (Bluehawk9) Poll  (3 of 8) 
 8779.3 in reply to 8779.2 
That's more of a "Kill the minority" kinda thing I guess. I'm not sure what cathers means.

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From: Bluehawk (Bluehawk9)1/20/04 5:01 PM 
To: Alli (AlliJaguar) Poll  (4 of 8) 
 8779.4 in reply to 8779.3 
The Cathars were one of the more interesting Christian heresies of the Middle Ages (12th Century - originating in southern France). They had heavy Manichean influences ("This world is evil, and the Lord of this world is the Devil"). They thought the God worshipped by the Catholic church was Satan. The term "Cathar" comes from "catharsis." They believed that one became moe perfect by suffering in this world, and accepting it.

They were non-violent, non-hierarchal, disengaged from political processes, didn't pay Peter's Pence, etc. and so were prime candidates for burning by the Evil Empire (oops, the Roman Catholic Church). The leaders, or Perfects, were so non-violent as to become vegetarians, did not engage in any form of sexual relations, and gave up all worldly goods - they really made the prelates of the Catholic Church look bad.. After their destruction, some of their ideas lived on, eventually emerging in the Protestant movement in different form.

A form of Catharism took root in Bulgaria. As a slander, they were accused of homosexuality...and eventually Bulgars became buggers. And so the one of the less-than-polite references to male homosexual acts - buggery - came from slanderous religio-political propaganda against a Xian heresy whose members (ideally) did not have sex.



From: Alli (AlliJaguar)1/20/04 11:09 PM 
To: Bluehawk (Bluehawk9) Poll  (5 of 8) 
 8779.5 in reply to 8779.4 
So that's where "bugger" came from...

Images are not snaggable. (c) Allison Morgan


From: Painwraith CPU =VOID Corp= (banewraith)2/3/04 8:36 AM 
To: Alli (AlliJaguar) Poll  (6 of 8) 
 8779.6 in reply to 8779.5 
awwwww bugger

poor sods......


From: subcomandante dagaz (Iucundus)2/16/04 5:36 AM 
To: Bluehawk (Bluehawk9) Poll  (7 of 8) 
 8779.7 in reply to 8779.4 
the pedantic lingust is back again. :)

>>>The term "Cathar" comes from "catharsis."<<<

actually it's the other way round. greek "kátharsis" - purification, cleansing (as well as the name kathrin, or kate) - comes from greek "kátharon" - pure, clean. the cathars were the kátharoi, or pure ones.

what you say about buggers is right. the middle french word for bulgarian was bougre, wich means hinterlander in modern french.


From: Bluehawk (Bluehawk9)2/16/04 7:27 AM 
To: subcomandante dagaz (Iucundus) unread Poll  (8 of 8) 
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Sum Graekum est...

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