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Fiddler on the Roof Full Show   Arts and Entertainment

Started 29/11/19 by M0THACUP; 976 views.



Fiddler on the Roof is a musical with music by Jerry Bock, lyrics by Sheldon Harnick, and book by Joseph Stein, set in the Pale of Settlement of Imperial Russia in or around 1905.


It is based on Tevye and his Daughters and other tales by Sholem Aleichem.

Fiddler on the Roof Full Show

Andrew Singer 31 Mar 2017

NSU University School's production of Fiddler on the Roof- 2017

Tevye- Andrew Singer
Golde- Ayla Maulding
Tzietel- Yuval Benit
Hodel- Cami Stankus
Chava- Julia Musso
Motel- Jared Cohen
Perchik- Sebastian Rabassa
Fyedka-  Michael Daly
Yente- Erin Cary
Villagers- not Paul

Samurai (BushMesh)

From: Samurai (BushMesh)


Fiddler on the Roof

The Beatles played music on the roof too, but Barbra  Streisand didn't sing with them, her PAPA song almost got everyone crying!!


Samurai (BushMesh)

From: Samurai (BushMesh)


Yentl - Papa Can you Hear Me?
peeweefied 21 Nov 2006
Papa, Can You Hear Me? clip from Yentl


Barbra Streisand
Provided to YouTube by Sony Music Entertainment


From: Tittah


''Yentl - Papa Can you Hear Me?''

Is a wonderful song, but it not featured in "Fiddler on the Roof" but in Yentl...


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From: CaroWee


Two different play-scripts and different story!

Yentl and Fiddler on the Roof

Yentl is a 1983 American romantic musical drama film from United Artists (through MGM) that was directed

Fiddler on the Roof is a 1971 American musical comedy-drama film produced and directed by Norman Jewison.


From: BerrySteph


M0THACUP said:

Fiddler on the Roof is a musical with music by Jerry Bock, lyrics by Sheldon Harnick, and book by Joseph Stein, set in the Pale of Settlement of Imperial Russia in or around 1905.

I have a problem with this story supposedly based on desperate people tilling the land.

None of them were serfs tilling the land - they were part of a rural elite.

"Tevye, a poor Jewish milkman with five daughters" "Yente, the village matchmaker" "Lazar Wolf, the wealthy butcher" "Motel the tailor ... saving up to buy a sewing machine" "Avram, the bookseller" "Perchik ... tutoring his two youngest daughters"

Even the Constable is Jewish. These are not peasants awash in chaos and suffering - they're the middle class, well warned of the armed bands ravaging the country. They're a fortunate few.

Meanwhile, there's an alternative version of the real story of Jewish existence in Eastern Europe and it comes from Israel Shahak, a highly-respected Jewish-Israeli historian/researcher and human-rights campaigner.

His most important academic contribution lies in the fact that he provided unparalleled insight into what is written in the Hebrew-language press in Israel. Some of it made very, very uncomfortable reading. 

He wrote many hundreds of such thoroughly-researched articles while busying himself as a Chemistry professor in israel. And, later, wrote a trilogy of very important books, 'Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years' (1994); 'Open Secrets: Israeli Nuclear and Foreign Policies' (1997); and 'Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel,' with co-writer Norton Mezvinsky (1999).

... On the true reasons - downplayed in mainstream history - for anti-Jewish feeling in medieval Europe, particularly in places like Poland, which saw the frequent oppression of the peasantry by both Jews and nobles:

'The legal status of a Jewish community in the period of classical Judaism was normally based on a 'privilege' - a charter granted by a king or a prince to the Jewish community and conferring on it the rights of autonomy - that is, investing the rabbis with the power to dictate to the other Jews. An important part of such privileges, going as far back as the late Roman Empire, is the creation of a Jewish clerical estate which, exactly like the Christian clergy in medieval times, is exempt from paying taxes to the sovereign and is allowed to impose taxes on the people under its control - the Jews - for its own benefit ... Similar arrangements existed, within each country, during the whole period of classical Judaism ... Because of all this, throughout the classical period (as well as in modern times) the rabbis were the most loyal, not to say zealous, supporters of the powers that be; and the more reactionary the regime, the more rabbinical support it had.' (Pages 54, 55)

'Outside the towns very many Jews throughout Poland ... were employed as the direct supervisors and oppressors of the enserfed peasantry - as bailiffs of whole manors (invested with the landlord's full coercive powers) or as lessees of particular feudal monopolies ... in short, in eastern Poland, under the rule of the nobles (and of the feudalized church, formed exclusively from the nobility) the Jews were both the immediate exploiters of the peasantry and virtually the only town dwellers.' (Page 62)

'The peasants suffered worse oppression at the hands of both landlords and Jews; and one may assume that, except in times of peasant uprisings, the full weight of the Jewish religious laws against gentiles fell upon the peasants ... These laws are suspended or mitigated in cases where it is feared that they might arouse dangerous hostility towards Jews; but the hostility of the peasants could be disregarded as ineffectual so long as the Jewish bailiff could shelter under the 'peace' of a great lord.' (Page 63)

'It must be pointed out that in all the worst anti-Jewish persecutions, that is, where Jews were killed, the ruling elite - the emperor and the pope, the kings, the higher aristocracy and the upper clergy as well as the rich bourgeoisie in the autonomous cities - were always on the side of the Jews. The latter's enemies belonged to the more oppressed and exploited classes ...' (Page 64)

I'm sure its easier to accuse Israel Shahak of antisemitism rather than try to disentangle the real historical circumstances behind the story of the "Fiddler on the Roof".

Professor Israel Shahak was a Holocaust Survivor (Bergen-Belsen 1943 age 10), proudly served in an elite regiment of the IDF, Professor of chemistry at Hebrew University 1963 until retirement in 1990.

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Samurai (BushMesh)

From: Samurai (BushMesh)


Right!!!  thumbsup

Thank you for the accurate information


From: Tittah


I hope everyone enjoys the musical! 



From: AuntBetsie


It's a MUSICAL, you know a bunch of happy good looking actors, a lot of people dancing and singing around and not a Historical lecture...



From: AuntBetsie


Love that ''Yentel'' song, every time I listen to it it jerks tears out of me!

It is so emotional!!  cry