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A Map for the inquisitive   African Devastation

Started 29/12/19 by AuntBetsie; 1867 views.
BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

2/1/20

AuntBetsie said:

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a Somali-born Dutch-American activist, feminist, author, scholar and former politician.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali was embraced by the uber-tolerant people of the Netherlands - until it was noticed what poison she was spreading eg:

"Violence is inherent in Islam - it's a destructive, nihilistic cult of death. It legitimates murder".

The discussion you want in your society? Be honest - you might want faith-hatred in your country!

The Dutch asked her to leave.

The fact that she'd lied about "fleeing" and claiming asylum didn't help - especially when it was discovered she'd even lied about her name and her date of birth and her origins!

In May 2006 the TV programme Zembla reported that Hirsi Ali had given false information about her name, her age, and her country of residence when originally applying for asylum.[51] In her asylum application, she had claimed to be fleeing a forced marriage, but the Zembla coverage featured interviews with her family, who denied that claim.[52] The program alleged that, contrary to Hirsi Ali's claims of having fled a Somali war zone, the MP had been living comfortably in upper middle-class conditions safely in Kenya with her family for at least 12 years before she sought refugee status in the Netherlands in 1992.

In her version of events, she had fled civil war in Somalia, was forced into an arranged marriage with a man whom she had never met, and was not present at her own wedding. Upon escaping she was forced into hiding in the Netherlands, for her ex-husband and father's brothers would have been by Somali custom, required to perform an honor killing.

The accounts of various witnesses varied greatly from hers. According to them, she left Somalia prior to any mass violence, and led a ####, upper-middle class life in neighboring Kenya, where she attended a Muslim Girls' school and received a full western-style education with focus on the Humanities and Science, her brother attended a Christian school, she lied to the Dutch immigration service about coming from Somalia in order not to be sent back to Kenya, and they allege she met her husband a few days before her wedding.

After several meetings with him, they allege she agreed to the marriage, even though her mother said Ayaan should finish her education so she could afford to leave him if the marriage should have been unsuccessful. They also allege that Hirsi Ali was present at the wedding, something her brother later denied, and according to several witnesses appeared to be enjoying herself.

Hirsi Ali denies all of this. On her way to Canada, she says she travelled to Holland by train during a stopover in Germany, and applied for political asylum. During her stay in Holland she regularly received letters from her father.[53] The documentary also quoted several native Somalians as saying there is no tradition of honor killing in Somalia, something that is disputed.[54] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali#Dutch_citizenship_Controversy

I don't hate or despise Hirsi Ali - but tell me - how would we treat a Jew who so savagely attacked Judaism?

Hand them plum jobs in academia and politics and laud the books full of anti-semitic filth they'd written?

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

2/1/20

ADDLER (DitmarP) said:

Ayaan Hirst Ali is one in a million with a sane mind!! 

Not a faith-hating puppet of fascists?

Tell me - how would we treat a Jew who so savagely attacked Judaism?

Hand them plum jobs in academia and politics and laud the books full of anti-semitic filth they'd written?

AuntBetsie

From: AuntBetsie

4/1/20

That's interesting to know, it hard to detect this unless you are keen to know where specific thing are around the region.

Thanks relaxed

Eliot (Elohimil)

From: Eliot (Elohimil)

11/1/20

CHECK THE MAP FIRST!!

earth_americas

Can you see the GEOGRAPHY?

Before pulling out all kinds of moronic posts?

Geopolitical analysis for 2019: Middle East

CaspianReport
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpbAHiWrwmc

earth_africa 

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

11/1/20

Eliot (Elohimil) said:

Can you see the GEOGRAPHY? Before pulling out all kinds of moronic posts? Geopolitical analysis for 2019: Middle East

Ayaan Hirsi Ali was embraced by the uber-tolerant people of the Netherlands - until it was noticed what poison she was spreading eg:

"Violence is inherent in Islam - it's a destructive, nihilistic cult of death. It legitimates murder".

Be honest - do you want faith-hatred  much more extreme than anything from the Nazis in your society?

AuntBetsie

From: AuntBetsie

14/1/20

ISLAM is filled with violence

BEIRUT used to be a secular CITY in a secular country!

Beirut: Al Qaida’s Syria wing, Nusra Front, shot dead a woman in the northwest of the country after accusing her of adultery, a monitoring group said on Wednesday, saying it showed such execution-style killings were not confined to the militant Daesh. Daesh, which split from Al Qaida and has seized land in Iraq and Syria, has beheaded and stoned to death Syrian and foreign civilians and combatants for crimes it sees as violating its strict interpretation of Islamic law.

CHECK THIS OUT
http://forums.delphiforums.com/sandgrain/messages/2216/1

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BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

14/1/20

AuntBetsie said:

ISLAM is filled with violence

That'd be a nasty Islamophobic slur if it were true.

But it's not true, is it? Islamics never, ever used to carry guns and operated largely without police. "Communities" policed themselves - just as the Jews always did in Europe.

AuntBetsie said:

BEIRUT USED TO BE A SECULAR COUNTRY! 

Beirut is not a country.

However, Iraq and Syria and Lebanon were secular - so what changed?

We know what changed - Lebanon was flooded with destitute refugees (1948) and then Israel handed out guns to native criminals (predominantly Christians, but anybody really) probably from about 1956.

Then Israel invaded and set about destroying the whole society in 1978 and especially 1982.

Israel did much the same thing to Syria - while the US sent in more destitute refugees and lots more guns from Iraq.

AuntBetsie said:

Al Qaida’s Syria wing, Nusra Front, shot dead a woman in the northwest of the country after accusing her of adultery, a monitoring group said on Wednesday, saying it showed such execution-style killings were not confined to the militant Daesh. Daesh, which split from Al Qaida and has seized land in Iraq and Syria, has beheaded and stoned to death Syrian and foreign civilians and combatants for crimes it sees as violating its strict interpretation of Islamic law.

Israel and the US have attacked the secular Syria and destroyed.

As they did to the only secular states in the Middle East - listed above.

Or rather, there was another secular state, where Muslims and Christians lived in a really good state of tolerance, drawing in lots of Jews from elsewhere in the world roughly from 1850 (BM insists there were a few earlier but gets very angry when I ask him for details).

What happened to that super-tolerant society when the Zionists arrived in 1882?

You going to tell me?

AuntBetsie

From: AuntBetsie

14/1/20

CORRECTION confounded

BEIRUT use to be a free and secular CITY in a SECULAR COUNTRY!

Before she was killed she begged to see her children but her killer refused.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/sandgrain/messages/2216/1

AuntBetsie

From: AuntBetsie

14/1/20

This intelligent guy knows about the GATE of Vienna too!

http://forums.delphiforums.com/sandgrain/messages/2213/1

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

14/1/20

AuntBetsie said:

CORRECTION BEIRUT use to be a free and secular CITY in a SECULAR COUNTRY!

Biblical Palestine included the whole of Lebanon.  Along with Gaza and a bit more.

But Palestine did not include the Negev. Totally different conditions and people - and a vital route for the Hajj, pilgrims from Egypt to Mecca.

Chaim Weizmann simply demanded it for geo-political reasons and in order to rob the passing Muslims.

Today's map of Lebanon, partitioned out of Palestine in 1919 to order to suit the Zionists and rob everyone. 

Look carefully - other than stealing the Negev, the borders are pretty nearly unchanged for 3000 years.

Beirut used to be the Paris of the East.

What changed?

We know what changed - the wealthy "Palestinian" landlords of the best areas of Palestine (eg the Jezreel Valley) lived in Beirut and from 1920 were forced to sell that land by threats and the erection of a new border between modern Palestine and "Lebanon".

A mendacious partition, dividing Biblical Palestine between the rural south (which happened to include a backward village called Jerusalem) and the wealthy north.

Once all the best land had been stolen and the "business class" of Palestinians had been forced, "upper Palestine" (ie Lebanon) was flooded with destitute refugees (1948) and then Israel handed out guns to native criminals (predominantly Christians, but anybody really) from about 1956.

Then Israel invaded and set about destroying the whole society in 1978 and especially 1982.

In 2006 they announced a war of genocide on Lebanon - this is the military speaking but they had full political and academic and religious backing:

6th October 2008 - In an interview with Yedioth Ahronoth Friday, IDF Northern Command Chief Gadi Eisenkot "... we shall destroy Lebanon and won't be deterred by the protests of the world. ... From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases" and "In practical terms, the Palestinians in Gaza are all Khaled Mashaal, the Lebanese are all Nasrallah, and the Iranians are all Ahmadinejad" http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3605863,00.htm

Israel boasts of genocide and it uses its precision weaponry to target and kill civilians.

What could possibly go wrong?

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