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Started 22/10/21 by Harold27Z; 1777 views.
AuntBetsie

From: AuntBetsie

20-Dec

You seem to like to be ENCLAVEDgrin

Michele (Conclave)

From: Michele (Conclave)

28-Jan

Harold27Z said:

Its despicable that people take the mental experimental jab KNOWING it contains tissues from abortion-tortured babies. That sustains the market. 

Stop spreading lies and falsehoods. 

Here's a good post about the supposed "aborted fetuses" in vaccines. and look! It even comes with links to multiple sources! Something you don't see around here very much from the "sky is falling crowd".

There are many misconceptions about the research and manufacturing process of many medications we rely on, vaccines included. Several of these pertain to the use of fetal cell lines.
Fetal cell lines are cells that were obtained from a tissue biopsy after elective abortions decades ago. They bear no resemblance to a fetus or even fetal tissue. These cell lines are created by modifying and growing them in the lab. As a result, we can maintain them for decades. These cells can divide nearly 50 times and be frozen or immortalized, enabling them to divide even further once thawed. Cell lines are used ubiquitously in biomedical research, and play a key role in the manufacturing of vaccines (and other medications) we use today.
There are many different fetal cell lines, but the ones scientists used to help develop the J&J vaccine and mRNA vaccines specifically are PER.C6 and HEK-293.
PER.C6 is a cell line derived from embryonic retinal cells, isolated in 1985. It is specifically used for the J&J vaccine because it has been modified in the lab to allow replication of the adenoviral vector utilized in this vaccine. These cells allow researchers to manufacture large quantities of the vector that will end up in the final vaccine.
HEK-293 is a cell line derived from embryonic kidney cells, isolated in 1973. HEK-293 are one of the most commonly used cell lines in research. These cells were used to verify that the genetic instructions (mRNA) led to the production of functional COVID-19 spike protein in human cells.
No vaccines actually contain fetal cells (or any cells for that matter) in the final product; cell lines are ONLY used in research and manufacturing processes, and are filtered and removed before packaging and release.
Although these cells have advanced the manufacturing of COVID-19 vaccines, some religious leaders initially expressed some apprehension. However, after thoughtful consideration, these religious leaders understood that the benefit of these vaccines are unmatched, and they have encouraged their followers to get vaccinated as well.
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Michele (Conclave)

From: Michele (Conclave)

28-Jan

Not sure how that is used, but if you mean to close myself off, I think you've got it backwards. I'm willing to read/watch multiple sources to bolster my opinions. I'm willing to change my mind about something if presented with enough evidence from credible sources that I'm wrong. I'm not living in an echo chamber.

So, your use of the word is wrong, where it pertains to me.

AuntBetsie

From: AuntBetsie

28-Jan

There are numerous sources out there to theorise in science and politics... most of them are posted by the PHARMA drug pushers... just like the drug dealer on a corner of a street!

SCIENCE and POLITICS rules have to be questioned. not pushed by force like the STASI did!                                                                           grin

Michele (Conclave)

From: Michele (Conclave)

28-Jan

Don't you question your "leaders"? The ones pushing the conspiracy theories? How come it's always "Rah-rah, that kook is always right!" and not, "What does he have to gain from pushing this theory?" The far-right, conspiracy-push, lying, "alternative truth" loonies are in it for the money.  The likes. The attention. The noteriety. They boost their numbers, they can boost their fees, charge more for advertising. And the more sensational and crazy it is, the more click-baity their headlines are, the most cracked up and far out their 'theories' are, the more people click, so the more money they get in. But sit back and think...does it really make sense? Have you asked yourself, why would Bill Gates want to reduce the population? Why create a pandemic on purpose? Why drink the blood of children (when it clearly doesn't work)? Do you ever step back, say these things out loud to your mirror so that you can hear how crazy it is?

AuntBetsie

From: AuntBetsie

28-Jan

Talk for yourself and Boris Johnson's lovely corruption and lies!

How daft can politicians be to fall for this again, with the lowest approval rating after trailing into these schemes? Most small businesses are dying however they are helping large ones stay fully in business…


Omicron Variant BA.2 Detected in4 States

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Michele (Conclave)

From: Michele (Conclave)

28-Jan

I have no idea what your post has to do with anything that I said.  It seems that most of you seem to just look at replying to a post is a chance to just forward more lies and conspiracy theories.

AuntBetsie

From: AuntBetsie

29-Jan

You talked about following ethical leaders, right?

I showed you that there aren't ANY ethical leaders to be followed - nowhere...  we have to use our own logic and hunch - people are not supposed to be SHEEP following anything that doesn't make any common cense or logic!

Michele (Conclave)

From: Michele (Conclave)

29-Jan

I get that. We shouldn't just blindly follow everything. And certainly, most, if not all world leaders have agendas that may or may not align with our own.  My mother was pretty high up in the Federal government, and the stories she could tell! The issue is that many leaders have to play the "you scratch my back, I'll scratch your back" game to get anything done.   A vote for a particular contract could have had deals done several layers deep, all on unrelated requests. So not exactly illegal or sinister, but everything in Washington DC runs on favors.

As for the huge, divisive subject at hand, the vaccine.  We do have to trust the science. We don't have our own individual labs and education to do our own research. So we need to depend on and trust those that do. Many of the people who are annoucing all the conspiracies don't have labs and education, and so they aren't doing their own research. They are depending on others to do research and they repeat what they are told.  If you stop and think about the "Why?" to many of these conspiracies, they just don't hold up. I happen to believe the science. Doesn't mean I'm a sheep or gullible or an idiot. It just means that my "logic and hunch" tells me that the CDC has competent scientists and that any sort of conspiracy requires 100s, if not 1000s of people to stay quiet in this age of smart phones and immediate uploading, and that's just seriously impossible, so these scientists are reporting the truth as it is at that time. 

The thing about the virus is that we don't have decades of history of its behavior, so it makes sense that the suggested behaviors would change as we learn more. The only reason masks are an issue is because of politics. Masks do what they say they do. They block particles of viruses and that helps keep people from being infected, be it the flu or COVID. So wearing a mask should be a no-brainer. But instead, it's become some sort of parody of "freedom of choice" and compared to Nazi Germany and similar events in history. Getting a vaccine should also be a given. We have been taking vaccines for other diseases and they work, so with the red tape removed, it makes sense that so many scientists could come up with a vaccine that is reasonably safe. 

My point is that apparently what makes sense to me and what makes sense to you are polar opposites. Who knows who is wrong? Well, obviously, I think you are. So many of the things posted here are undeniably false, but held up as gospel.  We'll just have to be on opposite sides of the issue. I just hate all the name-calling (I am guilty when I get frustrated), which is done only to belittle someone with a different viewpoint.

Harold27Z

From: Harold27Z

29-Jan

Relax.  Just ignore the mainstream media storm in a tea-cup whose purpose is to instill fear over a petty illness.  the hoax has been blown out of all proportion to reality.

The pro-jab shills (often working for intelligence agencies) will NEVER provide due-diligence related risk-benefit analysis.

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