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Why Are We in Ukraine?   Discussions

Started 27-Oct by Apollonius (Theocritos); 4962 views.
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A no-nonsense analysis of recent political and military developments in the Ukraine war.

Given the current political and military situation and Russian partial mobilization, it appears likely that a large-scale Russian ground and air offensive is imminent. The US and NATO might respond to such an offensive by providing more powerful weapons to Ukraine or by creating a “safe zone” in western Ukraine. Although Ukrainian authorities will try to keep residents in major cities, many people will try to flee to neighboring countries and other European countries.

The economic and energy situation in Europe and elsewhere will also likely continue to deteriorate, especially if the remaining Brotherhood gas pipeline through Ukraine or the Druzhba oil pipeline through Ukraine and Poland should be closed or destroyed.

A Ukrainian peace deal might have been possible on the basis of a bilingual federal state and a neutral foreign policy, but few actors were interested in such a solution. Given Russian annexations and the US/NATO proxy war strategy, a peace deal is probably no longer realistic at this point.

The Ukraine war is a complex war because it is driven by ethnic aspects (“East Slavic war”), historical aspects (the Soviet legacy), geostrategic aspects (NATO expansion), global aspects (US world order vs. multipolar world order), and ideological aspects (Western liberalism vs. Eastern traditionalism).

The overall US geopolitical goal remains the containment or subjugation of both Russia and China, and thus global predominance, as almost achieved in the 1990s. To this end, the US is using both Europe and East Asia as “Eurasian bridgeheads” (Brzezinski). In contrast, Russia and China, while advocating a multipolar world order, may ultimately try to impose a kind of “Eurasian doctrine”, similar to the Monroe doctrine, and confront US forces on the Eurasian continent.

Myra (MKratz)

From: Myra (MKratz)


There are so many developments about Russia and Putin's invasions in the Ukraine with all the refugees around the world by the globalists mentra, it is almost impossible to focus on one issue about that matter. 

I mainly focus on how avoidable it all was and how the Biden administration and its antecedents (Obama, H. Clinton) along with the State Dept., Defense Dept., and a miscellany of Washington bureaucrats, party hacks, and media promoters have been determined to pursue this war, both as part of their object for U.S. hegemony, but even more importantly as part of their tightening of control over populations in the West, especially as that relates to energy consumption and their insistence on 'green' energy solutions, which will only work to support a small elite class while the rest of us devolve into a Third World standard of living.

At one time when the war began, we heard that one country or another was helping Ukraine militarily without insisting on the types of armament provided. But now that the Ukrainian army is making significant progress, discretion is no longer appropriate. On the different side, it is time to more clearly position the names of the arsenals that make the difference on the front line, because success on the battlefield is the pride and the selling point of the weaponry industry.



From: Dot_hoe


You explained it all so beautifully... 

Sadly more Wars are in the forecast, initiated by the same radical Globalists. 


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Kyiv planning for total evacuation if it loses electricity - Marc Santora and Ben Hubbard, New York Times, 5 November 2022

The city is also establishing 1,000 heating centers for its 3 million residents, as Russia pounds away at civilian targets.

KYIV, Ukraine — As they struggle to maintain an electricity grid heavily damaged by Russian missiles, officials in the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, say they have begun planning for a once unthinkable possibility: a complete blackout that would require the evacuation of the city’s approximately three million remaining residents.

The situation is already so dire, with 40 percent of Ukraine’s energy infrastructure damaged or destroyed, that municipal workers are setting up 1,000 heating shelters that can double as bunkers while engineers try to fix bombed-out power stations without the needed equipment.

To try to keep the grid from failing altogether, Ukraine’s national energy utility said on Saturday that it would continue to impose rolling blackouts in seven regions.

The article continues with claims of Russia targeting civilians, but we don't know that.   We do know that para-military groups in Ukraine have been targeting civilians for many years.

As a matter of fact the problems with Ukraine's electrical grid go beyond direct targeting by Russian forces.  It appears to simply be in the process of a general meltdown from multiple causes.

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A lot of information relating to the Bidens and their circle in part II.


From: Dot_hoe


Once war starts it never ends,,,


From: Dot_hoe


Every strict necessity is cut, typical NAZI warmongers! angry