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From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host1/15/10 6:44 PM 
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What are you going to do?
by Victor Swindell
May 19, 2009

Only a complete idiot would claim that having a weapon or device for their protection such as a gun, knife, stun gun or pepper spray — is THE solution to all your protective needs. There are many gun owners who are robbed or killed each year. On the other hand it would be just as dumb to think that personal protection devices are of very little value. There are thousands of people who are not victims because they had the right tools at the right time along with the right knowledge to prevent themselves from being victims.

There are a number of variables that come into play such as

  • Will you know how to use it properly under stress?
  • Will you have it when you need it?
  • Can you access it quickly?
  • Do you know how to use it effectively?
  • Do you have other self defense knowledge?
  • Are you prepared to do what it takes to save your life or your family’s life?

The real question is, if you do not do something to prepare NOW, what will you do and when are you going to do it…?


  • Edited 8/25/2011 11:32 am by EdGlaze
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From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host1/18/10 6:12 PM 
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From the US Concealed Carry Association 
Armed American Report - Issue 169:


The Decision to Carry

by Robert Childers

"…When you make the decision to carry a gun for personal defense, you must also come to terms with this fact: Your firearm may someday end the life of another person…"

Though I've had a license to carry a concealed weapon for a number of years, I still remember my first training class as clearly as if it happened yesterday. Our two instructors were retired policemen and after explaining the class curriculum, they told us something about themselves. One man said that in his quarter century as a policeman, he had been fortunate in never having to use his weapon, though there were close calls. The other man explained that during his almost 30 years in law enforcement he had been forced to use his weapon twice, with one incident resulting in the death of the individual that was shot. He went on to say that despite having nearly 20 years experience in law enforcement at the time and being completely justified in his use of deadly force, it was still the most difficult thing he had ever done.

After he had finished telling us some of the details of that fatal shooting, our instructor made this statement to the class; "Kill another human being, for whatever reason or however justified, and your life as you know it is over forever." There was complete silence for over a minute when he finished, after which he said if anyone was having second thoughts about getting a carry permit, they were free to leave before the class continued. While nobody left, the class was extremely quiet for the remainder of the evening.

When you make the decision to carry a gun for personal defense, you must also come to terms with this fact: Your firearm may someday end the life of another person. Since receiving my concealed carry permit, I have become acutely aware that I carry something capable of forever changing not only someone else's life but my own, and there are times when it is a burden that is tougher to carry than the gun itself. Before you ever make that decision to carry a weapon for self-defense, you must first make the commitment to use that weapon — with potentially deadly consequences — if it ever becomes necessary. If you cannot make the conscious decision to shoot one human being in defense of another's life, if you aren't 100% sure you have the will to use it if the time comes, then you should not be carrying a weapon!

Most of us carry a weapon not because we realistically expect to ever use it, but to have it "just in case". With very few exceptions, the need to defend ourselves with deadly force is thrust upon us with almost no warning and with only moments to react. We are then required to make a life or death decision in less time than it took us to put on the socks we are wearing today. If I am ever forced to use my gun against another person it will be because (1), my life or the life of an innocent by-stander is in immediate danger and (2), another person has both the desire and the means to end my life, and I have no reasonable alternatives to prevent it other than the use of deadly force. This possibility, as remote as it may be, is the reason I own a firearm and have a concealed carry license. It's why I practice regularly at my local gun range and train myself how to react in a variety of scenarios. It's also why I read magazines like Concealed Carry Magazine and watch the many videos and television shows now available dealing with self-defense.

For what it's worth, I spent over twenty years in the military defending our country. When combined with the required classes I attended (both in the classroom and at the range) prior to receiving my license, and the training I do on a continuing basis, I believe I have both the knowledge and determination to use deadly force should it ever become necessary. However, irregardless of your age and experience, a license to carry a firearm is a serious responsibility and a responsibility NEVER to be taken lightly. The truth is that when I first started to carry a gun, I not only felt the huge responsibility that went with it but was almost overwhelmed by it. I actually had my concealed carry license for almost two years before I felt comfortable enough in both my abilities and judgment to carry a gun in public regularly. Maybe the knowledge that I possessed the power to end someone's life with a simple pull of my finger made me aware of my own mortality and how easily — and often needlessly — life can be lost.

In post 9/11 America, terrorism comes in many guises and has many faces. It can come in the form of a fanatic attempting to kill thousands by exploding a bomb in a crowded skyscraper. It may take the shape of a crazed killer walking through a shopping mall or college campus randomly shooting anyone he encounters. It could also assume the face of the burglar who breaks into your home in the pre-dawn hours and holds a knife to the throat of your son or daughter. Sadly, there are some very bad people in the world who won't hesitate to take both your property and your life if it serves their purpose. There are also people who take pleasure in seeing others suffer as well as imposing their will on those around them… often violently.

With any luck at all, my wife and I will spend the rest of our lives shooting at nothing more dangerous than the bull's-eye on a paper target. On the other hand, despite our best efforts there may come a time when we are forced to defend ourselves or a loved one with lethal force. It's for those times that both my wife and I carry a gun. Like the Boy Scouts, we believe in being prepared. If the unthinkable does happen and we are someday placed in the position of using deadly force, I'm confident we have the training, equipment and where-with-all to do it.

These days, you just never know when you may be required to protect yourself or someone close to you. Long ago I decided I'd rather carry a weapon I'll (hopefully) never use than someday need the weapon I decided not to carry. However, my advice to anyone who is considering the use of a firearm — or any potentially deadly weapon — is to be ABSOLUTELY certain you've made the mental commitment to use that weapon if and when the time comes. If you're not willing to use it, then you shouldn't be carrying it.

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From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host1/18/10 6:15 PM 
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From the US Concealed Carry Association 
Armed American Report - Dec 18, 2009:


Why I Got My CCW Permit
by Dan McManus

"...Was I on some ego trip? Was I trying to prove my masculinity? All of these may have had some minor influence, but as I probed, I found that there were other, more significant motivations that sprung more from who I am as a man…"

In the fall of 2001, I completed the process of securing a permit to carry a concealed weapon. I had debated for over a year as to whether to do the work necessary to apply for it. For a number of years I had been an occasional shooter, but it wasn't until the hoopla of Y2K that I began to get more serious about shooting, took some classes and become relatively proficient. I soon found that I loved to shoot. Since an indoor range was within easy driving distance, I often found myself visiting it, along with several other outdoor ranges. That, plus the advent of a new pro-CCW county Sheriff, caused me to think that I might have a chance at getting the CCW permit. It was, however, with both some trepidation, and frankly, a lot of excitement that I finally decided to take the coursework necessary, complete the required paperwork, do the interview, get fingerprinted for the DOJ, and all necessary activity to be considered for the permit. It was only after I had been approved that I started thinking about why this seemed so important to me; what was it that stirred me so? Over the last few months I have given it quite a bit of thought. Am I really that concerned about crime…we live in a pretty low-incident area. Was I on some ego trip? Was I trying to prove my masculinity? All of these may have had some minor influence, but as I probed, I found that there were other, more significant motivations that sprung more from who I am as a man and reflected certain core values that comprise my person. I'd like to put those down on paper.

1) I am both disturbed and frustrated by much of what I see in this country's politics these days and I am often left wondering how to properly respond. It occurs to me that, as just one man, I have very little impact on this nation — one voice out of 280 million. Yet, this country means a great deal to me. I lost my father to the Korean Conflict, all my uncles served in WWII, and I have studied and understand what unique and precious rights are afforded the citizens of this country I am privileged to live in. Additionally, I hold as a strong value the opinion that every man and woman has the God-given right to be responsible for his or her own personal safety, that no one is obligated to be a victim, and that this right is not a privilege bestowed on me by some governmental entity. I also believe that if a person of good character is willing to do the work necessary and takes the responsibility, then that person has the basic right to carry a defensive weapon. However, it seems that there are those in this country who disagree with me, who fear that I, and others like me, are a danger to society; that this freedom which is so basic to natural law and so thoroughly entrenched in the Constitution, must be taken from us. These usurpers are even now furiously working to legislate that right out of existence. Mistakenly believing that this issue is "guns," they feel quite comfortable trampling on my freedom. And so, it is to the anti-gun fascist, those who would deny me my rights as a free man and an American citizen, that I am responding. It is in the spirit of those American's before me who cried out "give me liberty, or give me death," "damn the torpedoes," and "let's roll" that I acted. As a political statement, as an act of patriotism, as my way of hoisting the flag, and my finger, in enraged defiance of those despots who say I can't, I got my permit to carry a gun; it was my patriotic duty.

2) Concurrent with this is the fact that much of what I hear today about gun control from the anti-gun crowd in just plain infuriating. It's not just that it is bad science, emotional, illogical and just plain ignorant; it's the assumption that they make and propagate about me as a gun-owning person that I take personal offense. It's my character they are impugning. I take exception to the notion that society somehow needs to be protected from me because I might carry a gun. Actually, I am a responsible, mature man, an adult, and I resent like hell being treated as if I am somehow untrustworthy and suspect. It judges me, and millions like me, as weak and without moral vigor. It tells me that my affinity for guns and my desire to carry one is a suspicious problem that requires legislation, registration and control. And it is demeaning. So, to the elitist crowd who would look down their noses at my personhood, who fear my masculinity, who believe that I am somehow part of the problem, and that my character is defective, I say this to you: I will not let you treat me like a child, I will not let you "nanny" me, suspect me, or disrespect me with your paranoid attitudes and your laws. Acquiring my CCW is my firm response to being patted on the head and told to get in line and behave myself. I will not go quietly into the night.

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From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host1/18/10 6:16 PM 
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3) The third reason I got my CCW is one that I understood less when I applied for it than I do now; carrying a handgun alters my sense of awareness by creating a heightened sense of vigilance. Caring a gun has caused me to develop a "6th sense" to my surroundings. I remember reading somewhere that carrying a weapon is like taking a child to the mall…it really expands your awareness of your environment and makes you cautious. Using Jeff Cooper's color alert system (white/yellow/orange/red) had become a natural consequence when I carry; I am always in code yellow; I am more observant, I look for someone displaying the signs of a predator, I am a better driver, I am more courteous and I do not daydream my way through the day. From the extensive reading I have done, it seems that many, if not most victims became a statistic because they allowed the predator his advantage due to their lack of observation. I believe that the best way for me to never have to use my gun and to never become a victim, is to not allow myself to get into situations that leave me no option other than the final one. Someone once said that an ounce of prevention was worth a pound of cure… Carrying a "pound of cure" inside my waistband compels me to a live with an acute awareness of my surroundings so that I am not caught "flat-footed," and have to resort to a more violent solution. Having my CCW and carrying a gun prohibits me from lapsing into the luxury of inattention.

4) Basic to my understanding of human nature is the belief that there is in this world a distinction between right and wrong, good and evil, and that men have the personal option to choose between these two. Therefore, society is comprised of both Mother Theresa's and Adolph Hitler's and all levels in between. It doesn't take much social awareness to know that there are sufficient numbers of those who chose evil as a way of life, and who by nature, prey on the weak and vulnerable. They are predators that will viciously hurt, rape and kill to accomplish their self-centered aims. They have no sense of conscious, any remorse, any pity or mercy, and indeed should be labeled "evil." They may use alcohol or drugs to give them courage or numb their conscience; they may not have a conscience. These opportunistic stalkers don't wear signs that advertise who they are or what is their intent. They can be in your neighborhood, at the mall or in the car driving behind you. The only thing they respect is strength and usually only move when they think they have the unfair advantage. So, my options are only two. I can go through life hoping I am one of the fortunate majority who will never have to confront evil, but live in fear that I might. Or, I can be one of the few who do not trust to luck, and am prepared to be "unlucky." I personally have chosen to hope for the best, but to be prepared for the worst. I am not paranoid, nor am I a Pollyanna; I do take to heart the Boy Scout motto: "Be Prepared." For me, that means having the resource and training sufficient to come out on top. Part of that training is learning how to avoid those situations in the first place. But if I am ever so unlucky as to have to defend myself or my family, I am prepared to do so. And so, because there is evil and because I don't believe in lucky charms, I acquired my CCW.

5) How can I read about the "Good Samaritan" or follow the teachings of Jesus, and not be aware that I have a responsibility to look out for others, to be my brother's keeper. The murder of Kitty Genovese in 1964 is a perfect example of what how far removed we, as a society, are from concepts like nobility and chivalry. Kitty was a 28-year-old woman returning home from work at 3 a.m. when she was brutally attacked and eventually murdered with a knife over a 35 minute period, all of which was witnessed by no less than 38 people, none of whom called the police or in any way acted to help Kitty. The man who later confessed to the murder also confessed to murdering two other women, all attributed to his uncontrollable rage. He told police that he chose women because they were easier and don't fight back. The courts declared him "insane." The "bystander effect," which is given responsibility for the inaction of these 38 witnesses, can affect all of us. However, my Christian upbringing has taught me that I am not to be blind to the plight of others and that this world would be a better place if we all looked out for each other. Having a CCW allows me to fulfill the moral imperative that I am mentally and physically prepared to defend those who are at risk. I believe in the calling of the "Warrior's Creed" which says, "Wherever I go, everyone is a little safer; wherever I am; anyone in need has a friend." Having a CCW and the accompanying training causes me to be alert and prepared, to chose to be a "line of defense" should it become necessary, to have consciously determined that, on my shift, the crazies, the social terrorist, and the evil do not get their way. Jesus didn't rebuke Peter for carrying a sword, just for not understanding when it was appropriate to be used. In today's world, Peter might have had a CCW. Therefore, Christian charity compels me to acquire my CCW permit. It's the moral thing to do.

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6) Closely following the last reason is one more personal and reflects more my perspective on life. Being armed reminds me every day that we are in a battle; that we are at war. By that I mean that there really is a struggle going on between right and wrong, good and evil, truth and falsehood. My lifestyle is such that it is far too easy for me to pull the shades down and sequester myself in my own little cocoon, leaving the rest of the world to go to hell in a handcart. Given these natural tendencies, I must do something to pull myself out of my comfort zone and become actively engaged. When I wear a gun, I am consciously deciding to do something, to make a difference, to pro-actively engage my world. I wear a gun, therefore I vote, I go to church, I honor my marriage and my family, I give money to worthy causes, I am a good neighbor, I deal honestly in my business; I even write my congressman and voice my opinion or displeasure. When I wear my gun, it reinforces a lifestyle, a philosophy that acknowledges the axiom that says, "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Good men arm themselves with a mindset that acknowledges that all is not right, that there is a battle to fight, and that I can, indeed I will, make a difference. Because I choose to be proactive, because I choose to be among "the good," I got my CCW.

7) There is an old saying; "God created all men, but Sam Colt made them equal." There will always be someone younger, stronger, better armed, and more attuned to violence than am I, who are looking for victims of a lesser challenge. My chances of survival are not good against such hard-core criminal-types if I have to depend on my personal strength, quickness and fighting technique. The gun that I carry and the subsequent training I employ, helps to insure that I don't come up short on the "balance of power" equation. I am of little good to my family should we become the target of a predator and I am unable to defend them or myself. And my family looks to me to be that barrier between them and violent men. So, I choose to alter the odds, I choose to wear a gun. In fact, my "trump card" may very well prove to be all that is necessary to convince the criminal element that he has made a poor choice and to go ply his trade elsewhere. With access to a gun, I have a much better chance to stop an attack before it begins, and I am much more likely to survive the attack should I not be able to avoid it. So, in the interest of stacking the deck, I got my CCW.

So, I got my CCW and carry a gun because:

  1. It's my patriotic duty,
  2. It was the un-politically-correct thing to do;
  3. To keep me alert and attentive;
  4. I don't trust luck;
  5. As an act of Christian charity;
  6. As a reflection of my pro-active lifestyle;
  7. To stack the deck in my favor.

So now you know why I carry a gun, why will you carry yours?


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From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host1/18/10 7:02 PM 
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From the US Concealed Carry Association member's section: 
Annual membership/suscription 


Armed in America: Don't Go Naked
by RK Campbell

Carrying a handgun for personal defense is a serious decision that is not for everyone. But those who decide upon this course and pass the proper background check and muster by the state should exercise this right. At this time the majority of states have some type of concealed carry laws with varying degrees of difficulty present in obtaining these permits. As it turns out the widespread passage of shall issue laws has not turned the street red with blood  or resulted in a return to the old west. Rather, in most states where CCW legislation has passed the crime rate has dipped down rather than up. A few states — Alaska and Vermont come to mind — have no CCW law at all but simply allow citizens the right to carry concealed with no legislation forbidding them to do so. But most states require at least a formality. This is a bit more involved than obtaining a driver's license.

There are many rules concerning concealed carry. A citizen who places his hand on his gun may be accused of the common law crime of making a threat and if the piece is drawn without reason the charge may be brandishing a firearm. The utmost discretion is required. The mark of a well-trained individual is that he has learned enough to avoid trouble. Trust me, it is difficult enough to go through the process when the action has occurred under color of law as a peace officer. For the armed citizen the course can be expensive, but then we have the alternative of going naked before our enemies. It is obvious that some writers have no idea of what they are talking about when it comes to concealed carry. While the armed citizen and the peace officer may have different views on concealed carry, the bottom line is the same. When off duty or working plain clothes a peace officer wishes to conceal his or her weapon. The same goes for citizens. If not for plain clothes peace officers supplying a demand we would not have the extensive base for concealed carry holsters we now enjoy.

An option I do not hold much truck with is open carry. In several states, particularly in the West but also at least one Southern state, open carry is perfectly legal. I have always thought that someone carrying a pistol on the belt in the open was making a peculiar statement and might be charged with disturbing the peace. The fact is that only a few individuals seem to understand the nuances of this law, and I believe that in essence it was penned in order to give sportsmen a break going to and from hunting areas. The element of surprise is lost and the wrong gang may light you up simply to obtain your handgun. Many states, including my own, make allowances for working people or shopkeepers to open carry on the premises without a permit.

But back to the basics. When armed citizens first begin carrying a handgun it is inevitable that mistakes will be made. But these mistakes must be limited to misconceptions that do not manifest themselves in public. The first opinion is often, "I can't carry this thing in hot weather — there is no room." This is patently false as modern holster technology will prove. A quality holster of good design allows surprisingly good concealment of a serious sized fighting handgun. Remember, no one told you that carrying a handgun is comfortable. But being armed is comforting. There is some acclimation required. Your danger factor will affect your ability to tolerate discomfort. At one time I carried two full size fighting pistols concealed under a sport shirt, and there was no way I would ease off that requirement until the threat subsided.

I have noted that one guru of concealed carry modeled the very best of holsters in his dapper style and made many comments on positive comfort while living in a state that severely limited concealed carry — he once mentioned that CCW permits were impossible to obtain. Basically a journalist, not a gun writer, he had zero street experience but he could have modeled for GQ. Had he carried a handgun for real he would of realized that after a day's carry, a handgun that weighs over thirty five ounces becomes a real drag on the trousers. Likewise, many blue steel handguns will rust when carried close to the body. My perspiration seems to be a bit more corrosive than most and I have rusted a Smith and Wesson .38 snub and a Star .45 PD nearly to the point they would not function. (The PD spoke in my favor twice and should have been better treated.) Today my carry handguns have superior finishes and I specify my custom holsters feature sweat guards. These guards not only protect the handgun from the shooter's body acids they also protect the body from the pistols sharp edges. The pistol will never be carried effortlessly without some drag, but the better holsters mitigate this burden.


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From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host2/4/10 10:15 AM 
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An issue not often addressed is retention. The pistol absolutely must be secure in the holster. A true custom holster will arrive tight enough that it requires a break in for a proper sharp draw. Wearing the holster a day or two around the home will accomplish this. A small price to pay for retention and speed! While I had several wild affrays during my time in uniform, I best remember one in which I fell over a chair in a living room and went topsy turvy for a few seconds. My pistol was carried in an open top inside the waistband holster but I did not lose it. That is retention and the better sort of holsters have it. A holster that is really just a sock for a pistol is not suitable for concealed carry. You must be able to run, jump, climb and drive while wearing the holster without losing the handgun. Remember, the draw conflicts with movement. Either stand and draw or run to cover and then draw — don't attempt both at the same time, to run and draw or the consequence is greater lost time.

Be certain the holster is properly secured to a good gun belt. This means a quality thick leather or horsehide belt. When the holster is worn, loop the belt through the first holster loop then the trouser loop and finally through the second holster loop. This drill takes a little more time but results in a secure fit that aids in retention and a good sharp draw. A separate issue is weapons retention in the face of a gun grab attempt. Lethal encounters occur at very short range and the adversary just may be in a position to interfere with the draw or attempt to grasp your pistol. When this occurs you had best have a tactic ready you have practiced to counter this attack.

When you select a holster be realistic. If you can cover the holster with a light garment most of the time the strong side belt holster is the best choice. But a light jacket is demanded to conceal this holster. Such a holster cannot be properly concealed under a pulled out sport shirt. If the climate limits outer covering then an inside the waistband holster is ideal. The IWB holster goes inside the trousers so the body of the holster concealed. This is a superior concealment instrument as the body of the holster does not protrude past the belt line. There is some speed sacrificed and practice is mandated, but the IWB is our most concealable holster.

Whichever holster you choose, be certain the holster is of high quality. Double stitching and a reinforced welt or holster mouth are important. The holster must not approximate the fit of the handgun but be a good tight fit for the exact pistol you have chosen. The combination of handgun and holster must be one that is applicable to your situation and body type. You are a person with a gun, not a gun with a person attached. Some who carry just don't get it and their unease is obvious to a trained observer. Only by constant carry and practice in the draw is this accomplished. To achieve true proficiency you need to be armed constantly. There are some who arm themselves only situationally. They may carry their handgun when making a midnight run to the stop and rob or when making a night deposit on the way home after a long day's work but neglect to carry the piece when traveling in the normal course of a day's work. These are the folks who are taken by surprise and find themselves unarmed.

Richard K. Campbell is a writer with 20 years police experience. He holds a degree in criminal justice and has studied firearms and their use for nearly 40 years. He is the author of three books, including THE GUN DIGEST BOOK OF PERSONAL PROTECTION & HOME DEFENSE, and over 600 articles columns and reviews.


From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host3/26/10 6:02 PM 
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A Dozen things People should know
about Concealed Weapon Permit Holders

by Mark Freburg

There's a lot of misinformation out there these days about people who have chosen to exercise their right to carry a concealed weapon according to the provisions made by state governments. Here are a few things that Concealed Weapon Permit (CWP) holders want people to know about them. Now of course there are exceptions to these general rules but I think you'll find these things to be true about the vast majority of your legally carrying neighbors.

1) We don't carry firearms so that we can ignore other basics of personal safety. Every permit holder that I know realizes that almost all dangerous situations can be avoided by vigilance, alertness and by simply making wise choices about where one goes and what one does. We don't walk down dark alleys. We lock our cars. We don't get intoxicated in public or hang out around people who do. We park our cars in well lighted spots and don't hang out in bad parts of town where we have no business. A gun is our last resort, not our first.

2) We don't think we are cops, spies, or superheros. We aren't hoping that somebody tries to rob the convenience store while we are there so we can shoot a criminal. We don't take it upon ourselves to get involved in situations that are better handled by a 9-1-1 call or by simply standing by and being a good witness. We don't believe our guns give us any authority over our fellow citizens. We also aren't here to be your unpaid volunteer bodyguard. We'll be glad to tell you where we trained and point you to some good gun shops if you feel you want to take this kind of responsibility for your personal safety. Except for extraordinary circumstances your business is your business, don't expect us to help you out of situations you could have avoided.

3) We are less likely, not more likely, to be involved in fights or "rage" incidents than the general public. We recognize, better than many unarmed citizens, that we are responsible for our actions. We take the responsibility of carrying a firearm very seriously. We know that loss of temper, getting into fights or angrily confronting someone after a traffic incident could easily escalate into a dangerous situation. We are more likely to go out of our way to avoid these situations. We don't pull our guns to settle arguments or to attempt to threaten people into doing what we want.

4) We are responsible gun owners. We secure our firearms so that children and other unauthorized people cannot access them. Most of us have invested in safes, cases and lock boxes as well as other security measures to keep our firearms secure. Many of us belong to various organizations that promote firearms safety and ownership.

5) Guns are not unsafe or unpredictable. Modern firearms are well-made precision instruments. Pieces do not simply break off causing them to fire. A hot day will not set them off. Most modern firearms will not discharge even if dropped. There is no reason to be afraid of a gun simply laying on a table or in a holster. It is not going to discharge on its own.

6) We do not believe in the concept of "accidental discharges". There are no accidental discharges only negligent discharges or intentional discharges. We take responsibility for our actions and have learned how to safely handle firearms. Any case you have ever heard of about a gun "going off" was the result of negligence on somebody's part. Our recognition of our responsibility and familiarity with firearms makes us among the safest firearms owners in America.

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From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host3/26/10 6:02 PM 
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 247.9 in reply to 247.8 

7) Permit holders do their best to keep our concealed weapons exactly that: concealed. However, there are times when an observant fellow citizen may spot our firearm or the outline of our firearm under our clothes. We are very cognizant that concerns about terrorism and crime are in the forefront of the minds of most citizens. We also realize that our society does much to condition our fellow citizens to have sometimes irrational fears about firearms. We would encourage citizens who do happen to spot someone carrying a firearm to use good judgment and clear thinking if they feel the need to take action. Please recognize that it's very uncommon for a criminal to use a holster. However, if you feel the need to report having spotted a firearm we would ask that you please be specific and detailed in your call to the police or in your report to a store manager or private security. Please don't generalize or sensationalize what you observed. Comments like "there's a guy running around in the store with a gun" or even simply "I saw a man with a gun in the store" could possibly cause a misunderstanding as to the true nature of the incident.

8) The fact that we carry a firearm to any given place does not mean that we believe that place to be inherently unsafe. If we believe a place to be unsafe, most of us would avoid that place all together if possible. However, we recognize that trouble could occur at any place and at any time. Criminals do not observe or obey "gun-free zone" laws. If trouble does come, we do not want the only armed persons to be perpetrators. Therefore, we don't usually make a determination about whether or not to carry at any given time based on "how safe" we think a location is.

9) Concealed weapon permit holders are an asset to the public in times of trouble. The fact that most permit holders have the good judgment to stay out of situations better handled by a 9-1-1 call or by simply being a careful and vigilant witness does not mean that we would fail to act in situations where the use of deadly force is appropriate to save lives. Review of high profile public shooting incidents shows that when killers are confronted by armed resistance they tend to either break off the attack and flee or choose to end their own life. Lives are saved when resistance engages a violent criminal. Lives are lost when the criminal can do as he pleases.

10) The fact that criminals know that some of the population may be armed at any given time helps to deter violence against all citizens. Permit holders don't believe that every person should necessarily be armed. We recognize that some people may not be temperamentally suited to carry a firearm or simply may wish not to for personal reasons. However we do encourage you to respect our right to arm ourselves. Even if you choose not to carry a firearm yourself please oppose measures to limit the ability of law abiding citizens to be armed. As mentioned before: criminals do not observe "gun free zones". Help by not supporting laws that require citizens to be unarmed victims.

11) Those with concealed carry permits are quite likely the most conspicuously law-abiding people you will encounter. In the majority of states with a permit system, the permit holder has voluntarily submitted himself or herself to a background check involving local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies. Most often, fingerprints have also been taken and submitted for examination. You can be assured that we are not criminals carrying under the shield of the law. Multiple levels of government have concurred that we have followed the law. In addition, we have spent a great deal of funds on training, equipment, and the permit process. We are not eager to jeopardize any of that through misconduct — we are well aware that if we misbehave we can lose every last penny of that investment, as well as our very freedom.

12) We would NEVER use our weapons unless it is absolutely necessary in order to save an innocent life.


From: Colonel Eric (COL0NEL_ERIC) DelphiPlus Member Icon3/30/10 11:35 AM 
To: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon  (10 of 37) 
 247.10 in reply to 247.1 

My two cents worth.

My guns have saved many lives, both on and off duty, yet have never taken one. There are people alive today who would not be had I not had a weapon, and been willing to use it. But the willing to use it part was even optional. Just the presence of my firearm stopped aggressive actions towards myself and others, regardless if I would have actually pulled the trigger or not. (Though I was always ready to use deadly force if necessary, thank God it never was)

Just as you do not have to wait until a shot is actually fired at you to take action against a potential violent offender, the criminal does not wait around until you shoot your gun to modify and correct their violent or aggressive behavior. Never underestimate the ability to turn violent behavior in to fully peaceful and compliant behavior merely by the sound of racking a pump shotgun, or chambering a round in a 1911.

The vast majority of times a weapon is presented by a law abiding citizen in self defense, the weapon is not discharged. Only a fraction of those is anyone actually hit with a bullet, and only a fraction of those instances is the assailant killed.

The statement made in the first post, "There are thousands of people who are not victims because they had the right tools at the right time along with the right knowledge to prevent themselves from being victims." is very understated There are over 2 million of them every single year.


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