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From: Marci (marcinmin) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostJan-4 9:16 AM 
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NYT:

Paul Whelan, the security chief of an international auto parts manufacturer, loved to travel around Russia and was in contact on social media with ordinary citizens there, including retired members of the military.

On Thursday, the Russian authorities charged Mr. Whelan, 48, with espionage. The U.S. government refused to publicly discuss Mr. Whelan’s status in detail, but former C.I.A. officers said they didn’t think he was a spy.

Why it matters: Mr. Whelan’s arrest comes after a Russian woman, Maria Butina, pleaded guilty last month in Washington to conspiring to act as a foreign agent. Current and former officials said it was possible Mr. Whelan was seized to exchange him for Ms. Butina.

 
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From: Cstar1 DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostJan-5 12:33 PM 
To: Marci (marcinmin) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (2 of 10) 
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This case is odd. Originally, he was made out to be an innocent attending a wedding. As more reporting is done, he sounds less and less innocent. I guess we'll just have to wait to see how it plays out.

 

 


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From: Jazzy720 DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostJan-5 10:51 PM 
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I'm with you on this one. 

 

 

 

 

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From: FlasherMakJan-5 11:54 PM 
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He got a bad conduct discharge from the USMC as a staff sergeant. That makes you wonder a bit.

 

 
From: Jazzy720 DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostJan-6 12:15 AM 
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Did he? I just think the whole thing sounds sketchy. Maybe he volunteered to be the fall guy so he could be exchanged for the Russian woman/spy that we have. BTW Happy New Year Mak!

 

 

 

 

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From: FlasherMakJan-6 8:11 AM 
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Hope you have a good one too!  :)

He was busted from E-6 to E-1 and given a bad conduct discharge, which means he lost all of his veteran's rights. You don't get that for just being a little bit naughty. He'd spent 14 years in the USMC Reserve, including deployments to the sand box. He was always interested in Russia though, so I'd guess he was just arrested so the Russians could make a swap.

 

"The Marine Corps found Paul Whelan, the American citizen detained by Russia on espionage charges, guilty of attempting to steal more than $10,000 worth of currency from the U.S. government while deployed to Iraq in 2006 and bouncing nearly $6,000 worth of checks around the same time, according to records obtained by The Washington Post."

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/four-countries-now-have-links-to-american-detained-in-russia-as-international-spillover-widens/2019/01/04/25d93b2e-1029-11e9-8f0c-6f878a26288a_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8dffb57bda6f

 

 
From: Cstar1 DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostJan-6 10:16 AM 
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Jazzy720 said...

Maybe he volunteered to be the fall guy so he could be exchanged for the Russian woman/spy that we have.

Except that I think it was being reported yesterday that the Russians weren't interested in a trade.

 

 

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From: Jazzy720 DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostJan-6 1:06 PM 
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Interesting. We'll have to see how it shakes out I guess. 

 

 

 

 

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From: Jazzy720 DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostJan-6 1:09 PM 
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I read the other day that there are several that the Russians would love to get back. 

 

 

 

 

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From: Bike (URALTOURIST1) DelphiPlus Member IconJan-11 11:48 AM 
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I wonder if his alleged employer was aware of his seemingly checkered past when he was moved to the Security Chief position for a large vehicle parts distributer/maker?

 

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