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From: Gimmie Chocolate Shorty (TOILETHEA1) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostFeb-13 9:01 AM 
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Like Eggs in a Carton’: Why Most School Buses Don’t Have Seat Belts

“Students are protected within the seating compartment much like eggs in a carton"

A video of an Ohio school bus flipping over and sending kids flying from their seats into the roof is making some people wonder whether seat belts should be mandated on all school buses.

But while such accidents send chills down the spine of parents, national safety data suggests that school buses remain the safest mode of transportation for children, even without seat belts.

A big reason for that is that large school buses are designed to withstand impact through compartmentalization. This design concept provides a “protective envelope” around students by placing strong, high energy-absorbing, padded seats close together, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

Put another way, “Students are protected within the seating compartment much like eggs in a carton,” according to the National Transportation Safety Board.

Anyone who watched the Ohio crash will also notice that, while the kids hit the roof, the roof didn’t break. That’s because school buses also have minimum roof crush requirements, according to the NHTSA.

And, because school buses are so big and heavy, the impact from a crash is distributed differently than it would be in a car, light truck or van, meaning that people in a school bus “experience much less crash force,” according to the NHTSA.

The exception is buses weighing less than 10,000 pounds, like those used to transport special education students. Because they are closer in size to regular cars and trucks, the NHTSA does require seat belts in small buses to “provide occupant protection.”

Still, only four to six school-age children die each year on school buses, less than one percent of all traffic fatalities nationwide, according to the NHTSA. This means kids are about 70 times more likely to get to school safely on a school bus than they would if traveling in a car.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/like-eggs-in-a-carton-heres-why-most-school-buses-dont-have-seat-belts/2288225/?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
From: krathyn3 (Phantom7031) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostFeb-13 7:07 PM 
To: Gimmie Chocolate Shorty (TOILETHEA1) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (2 of 23) 
 5162.2 in reply to 5162.1 

the most likely way kids get killed in a school bus is getting on with people driving by when the stop arms are extended.
The roofs are well constructed, the seats in front have no front seat to act as a securement device on the children in the very front.
One of the problems of putting seat belts in school buses is space: what about the three kids sharing a seat, what about an obese child taking up a whole seat, in buses with 2 seat belts per seat this would be impossible to accommodate these.

Mixed feelings about the seat belt issue for school buses.

 

 
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From: Gimmie Chocolate Shorty (TOILETHEA1) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostFeb-13 7:09 PM 
To: krathyn3 (Phantom7031) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (3 of 23) 
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There are so many pluses and minuses for this issue.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
From: krathyn3 (Phantom7031) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostFeb-14 12:10 AM 
To: Gimmie Chocolate Shorty (TOILETHEA1) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (4 of 23) 
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the front seat should prob have seat belts. But it would be anyone's guess how to fit them in.

two for a seat? three?

 

 

 
From: Gimmie Chocolate Shorty (TOILETHEA1) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostFeb-14 5:53 AM 
To: krathyn3 (Phantom7031) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (5 of 23) 
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At least the front seats so they don't flying through the windshield, though I haven't heard of that happening.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
From: krathyn3 (Phantom7031) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostFeb-14 2:15 PM 
To: Gimmie Chocolate Shorty (TOILETHEA1) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (6 of 23) 
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well the front seats have n o seat in front for protections...so the eggs in a carton argument does not apply to them.

 

Unless you get eggs with no front     panel on the carton....!

 

 

 
From: Gimmie Chocolate Shorty (TOILETHEA1) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostFeb-14 2:41 PM 
To: krathyn3 (Phantom7031) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (7 of 23) 
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There really is no easy answer to this issue.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
From: krathyn3 (Phantom7031) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostFeb-14 7:24 PM 
To: Gimmie Chocolate Shorty (TOILETHEA1) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (8 of 23) 
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no, there isn't

 

 

 
From: RGoss99Feb-16 5:17 PM 
To: Gimmie Chocolate Shorty (TOILETHEA1) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (9 of 23) 
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Not an issue here (Mallorca) because we don´t have school buses.

Here, both students and teacheers use the normal public buses, as the schedules are altered to fit the school calendar.

For field trips and special occasions they use chárter buses, if public not available, and they all have seat belts by law.

In my teaching experiences in America, school buses are death traps, often driven by district drivers hired with lower standards then the public buses.

So my answer to the question is yes they should.

Having said that, there is another issue involving health and safety laws.

In the U.S. there is a lot taught about rights, and very Little about responsibility.

Here it is the opposite, so we have no rules, except for private autos, regarding the manditory use of the seat belts on our buses., but most people,

especially school kids do, because personal responsibility is a part of the curriculum starting in preschool (here this is called "escoleta" not mandatory but most kids start between ages 2.5 and 3. so we have tircycles padlocked in the school parking área.

 

 
From: RGoss99Feb-16 5:19 PM 
To: krathyn3 (Phantom7031) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (10 of 23) 
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Interesting point about front seats. Before our buses had seat belts generally, the front seats had them with a notice to buckle up.and the drivers used to check, especially the front right which would be the most dangerous.

 

 
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