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Race Day medication reform   Horse Racing

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Amy (1pony)
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From: Amy (1pony)

6/13/12

I agree with all that Seth Hancock says here 

JJCUVEE

From: JJCUVEE

6/13/12

This was very interesting. I wish they would take a scientific approach and wean the horses off Lasix. Reduce doses for a time and check for bleeding. See if horses bleed as a two year old in training. Do new trainers know how to keep bleeding in check like the old timers did? If not, go back and see what they did. Were horses given longer gallops at a younger age? I have no idea.  I do think horses should be kept race fit by racing not having 6 weeks of breezes and galllops. I cannot believe how many times Man O War ran as a two year old sometimes with as little as a fe days off...
Amy (1pony)
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From: Amy (1pony)

6/13/12

They did gallop longer and faster than they do now and they still had longs works as well. 

IMHO we need to start with the 2 year olds, and have them race without lasix, then next year we have 2 and 3 year olds running without lasix, etc. 
JJCUVEE

From: JJCUVEE

6/13/12

Agree- I remember secretariat had long breezes before the Belmont..now 3f is a big deal but just look at the races at Belmont--many 6f..not many at a mile and sixteenth and still waiting for the mile and an eighth on the dirt..need more longer races..
Amy (1pony)
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From: Amy (1pony)

6/13/12

The problem is that the industry changed their breeding habits to accommodate the 2 year old in training sales and the people who wanted to buy fast early developing 2 year olds. Once they start to breed for classic distances again and stop trying to have these babies go 10 second 1/8's and we eliminate lasix  then we will also see a TC winner again.

Secretariat, Man O'War and so many other of our top older race horses ran as 2 year olds and kept their consistency as a 3 year old and older. What does that tell you? To me it means that even though they had the stamina to go 1 1/4 miles or more they also had the speed to get to the wire first in shorter races. 
JJCUVEE

From: JJCUVEE

6/13/12

So true, I do not buy two year olds at the sale anymore. They are beaten up to do those stupid ten flat times. Why not just let them gallop or jog . You can see a lot about a horse by watching them do that. Check out conformation and pedigree and take the horse to a farm for a few months to grow before you start to train again. 
Amy (1pony)
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From: Amy (1pony)

6/13/12

It has been proven that letting the 2 year olds train and have longer stronger gallops and not the early works gives them a chance to build bone density and therefore make them less apt to breaks and chips. 

I agree that the race to get them working faster earlier is a major problem. 
JJCUVEE

From: JJCUVEE

6/13/12

Our JJ Got Even who we bred is on summer break. He will start again and then come up to NY in the fall.  His mother was a very speedy horse and very talented but had the Carson City/Cuvee chunky body. JJ Got EVen looks like his mom but is more scopey. He has a nice foundation and did his lessons well but we will give him a few months to grow a little before he starts back p. I hear he is running around his paddock every day.  I have no problem racing a two year old but I like to wait if they need it. Muster Up for some reason  has been sound as can be but that is his nature. The horse tells you a lot.
Amy (1pony)
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From: Amy (1pony)

6/13/12

That is very true, each horse tells you what they need and they need to be trained like the individual they are, not all the same. IMHO I cannot wait to see your baby race later this year or early next year.

JJCUVEE

From: JJCUVEE

6/13/12

Thanks, The only reason we brought Indygo Ellie up to Ky was to have Mike McMahon manage her. Makes it easier for me as Steve and I go through this chemo stuff and new Cancer DX..She is  sound with a very nice conformation and a nice pedigree but Kellyn will go slow with her. JJ Got Even grew so fast he had issues so we are going slower with him. He is over his major growth spurt but he will be a dirt sprinter I think so he can go up to NY later with Mike Hushion who is so good with his horses..
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