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Race Day medication reform   Horse Racing

Started by LyndaP31; 80545 views.
SmittyCat3

From: SmittyCat3

6/13/12

Just watched this last night after Ray Paulick tweeted - nothing you hadn't already heard but an interesting and sobering take on things from Seth Hancock from the old Woody Stevens days to now and the effect of race day medication on the upcoming generation

Amy (1pony)
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From: Amy (1pony)

6/13/12

Thanks for posting this I will watch it later.

Amy (1pony)
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From: Amy (1pony)

6/13/12

I agree with all that Seth Hancock says here 

JJCUVEE

From: JJCUVEE

6/13/12

This was very interesting. I wish they would take a scientific approach and wean the horses off Lasix. Reduce doses for a time and check for bleeding. See if horses bleed as a two year old in training. Do new trainers know how to keep bleeding in check like the old timers did? If not, go back and see what they did. Were horses given longer gallops at a younger age? I have no idea.  I do think horses should be kept race fit by racing not having 6 weeks of breezes and galllops. I cannot believe how many times Man O War ran as a two year old sometimes with as little as a fe days off...
Amy (1pony)
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From: Amy (1pony)

6/13/12

They did gallop longer and faster than they do now and they still had longs works as well. 

IMHO we need to start with the 2 year olds, and have them race without lasix, then next year we have 2 and 3 year olds running without lasix, etc. 
JJCUVEE

From: JJCUVEE

6/13/12

Agree- I remember secretariat had long breezes before the Belmont..now 3f is a big deal but just look at the races at Belmont--many 6f..not many at a mile and sixteenth and still waiting for the mile and an eighth on the dirt..need more longer races..
Amy (1pony)
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From: Amy (1pony)

6/13/12

The problem is that the industry changed their breeding habits to accommodate the 2 year old in training sales and the people who wanted to buy fast early developing 2 year olds. Once they start to breed for classic distances again and stop trying to have these babies go 10 second 1/8's and we eliminate lasix  then we will also see a TC winner again.

Secretariat, Man O'War and so many other of our top older race horses ran as 2 year olds and kept their consistency as a 3 year old and older. What does that tell you? To me it means that even though they had the stamina to go 1 1/4 miles or more they also had the speed to get to the wire first in shorter races. 
JJCUVEE

From: JJCUVEE

6/13/12

So true, I do not buy two year olds at the sale anymore. They are beaten up to do those stupid ten flat times. Why not just let them gallop or jog . You can see a lot about a horse by watching them do that. Check out conformation and pedigree and take the horse to a farm for a few months to grow before you start to train again. 
Amy (1pony)
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From: Amy (1pony)

6/13/12

It has been proven that letting the 2 year olds train and have longer stronger gallops and not the early works gives them a chance to build bone density and therefore make them less apt to breaks and chips. 

I agree that the race to get them working faster earlier is a major problem. 
JJCUVEE

From: JJCUVEE

6/13/12

Our JJ Got Even who we bred is on summer break. He will start again and then come up to NY in the fall.  His mother was a very speedy horse and very talented but had the Carson City/Cuvee chunky body. JJ Got EVen looks like his mom but is more scopey. He has a nice foundation and did his lessons well but we will give him a few months to grow a little before he starts back p. I hear he is running around his paddock every day.  I have no problem racing a two year old but I like to wait if they need it. Muster Up for some reason  has been sound as can be but that is his nature. The horse tells you a lot.
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