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From: YWN666 DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostJun-9 7:18 AM 
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https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/trump-s-august-election-reinstatement-theory-even-worse-it-looks-n1269716

Trump's August election reinstatement theory is even worse than it looks

Trump’s embrace of this new, delusional conspiracy shows how the right’s doom loop of craziness works.
 

I’m afraid this is even worse than it looks.

The National Review is now confirming that Donald J. Trump, the former president of the United States (and probable Republican nominee in 2024) does indeed believe quite genuinely that he — along with former Sens. David Perdue and Martha McSally — will be “reinstated” later this summer.

 

That, of course, is not going to happen. It is, in fact, weapons-grade lunacy to imagine that it is even possible.

But Trump’s embrace of the story shows how the right’s doom loop of craziness works — and how it is accelerating narratives that began in the fevered imaginations of his hardcore true believers.

It should also remind us that even though an idea is fake, the consequences of a new Big Lie can be very real, and even deadly.

Delegitimizing our democracy is now central to Trump’s agenda and his hopes for a political comeback. And polls suggest that his lies about the election have influenced tens of millions of voters.

A Reuters/Ipsos poll from May found that a quarter of Americans — and 53 percent of Republicans — actually believe Trump is the "true president" of the United States.

In this alternative reality, it’s only a small step to believe their “true president” might really return.

The idea of just such a magical, extra-constitutional Trumpian reinstatement was floated just last week at a QAnon conference. MAGA lawyer Sidney Powell said, without providing any evidence or details, that Trump “can simply be reinstated, but a new inauguration date is set, and Biden is told to move out of the White House, and President Trump should be moved back in.”

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From: YWN666 DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostJun-9 7:19 AM 
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These elected representatives were sworn to uphold the Constitution and they don't even know what it says.

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From: alankellJun-9 2:42 PM 
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Americans, and most of the free world, tend to view Adolph Hitler as evil, and wonder how the hell the German people got suckered into his lunacy.  But Trump is a two bit, tin hat dictator with aspirations of being Hitler, and people who should know better are licking him like he is ice cream.  The whole shebang is scary because the nightmare is real.

 

 
From: YWN666 DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostJun-9 4:45 PM 
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Organized ignorance is a very real threat as we saw on January 6th.

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From: Patrick Rock (PFR291) DelphiPlus Member IconJun-10 8:31 AM 
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Want to know something really scary?

Remember when Paul Ryan announced that he would not run in resigned as Speaker and the Paul Ryan became Speaker?  There was discussion at the time about House rules, and it was noted that to be chosen as Speaker, one does not have to be a sitting Representative; if 218 Representatives can agree, they can elect anyone to the office.

If Republicans take control of the House of Representatives following the 2022 mid-terms, they can do this, and it is possible that they might choose that option, and put Little Donnie in the Speaker's seat.  If he got that power, he could make the Republican 100% his, simply by his control over the agenda.

Hitler had a more difficult path to take over Germany than the one that would face Trump right then.  If they get control of the Senate as well, they could change the laws governing our elections and elect him President for Life.

Yes, it is not the most likely scenario, but it is definitely possible, and we should be scared.

 

 

 
From: BerryStephJun-10 2:35 PM 
To: alankell  (6 of 21) 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Must_Perish!
Map showing Kaufman's proposed dismemberment of Germany (and Austria)

Americans, and most of the free world, tend to view Adolph Hitler as evil, and wonder how the hell the German people got suckered into his lunacy. 

There was nothing lunatic about Adolf (sp) Hitler (except maybe writing a prison manifesto that influenced nobody atall, but is forever after held up as evidence of not very much).

Even attacking Russia looks relatively logical, since Churchill and Roosevelt were so obviously set on the complete destruction of Germany. Almost in cahoots to dynamite the British Empire and (perhaps less obviously) bring about the Holocaust.

Hitler in fact was left with no choice about attacking his ally Russia - "Germany must perish" (March 1941) was not a joke but a death knell that Morgenau in the Roosevelt administration and others intended to carry out.

Germany Must Perish! is a 104-page book written by Theodore N. Kaufman ... advocated genocide through the sterilization of all Germans and the territorial dismemberment of Germany, believing that this would achieve world peace. 

... The Nazi Party used the book, written by a Jewish author, to support their argument that Jews were plotting against their country.[1]

Kaufman advocated the mass extermination through forced sterilization of the German people and the territorial dismemberment of Germany after an Allied victory in World War II.[2]

Kaufman summarized Germany Must Perish! in advertisements in the New York Times and New York Post as: "A dynamic volume outlining a plan for the extinction of Germany and containing a map showing possible dissection and apportionment of its territory."[3] In an interview carried in the September 26, 1941, issue of The Canadian Jewish Chronicle, Kaufman defended his plan for the "sterilization of all Germans":[4]

I believe that the Jews have a mission in life. ... Slowly but surely the world will develop into a paradise. We will have perpetual peace. And the Jews will do the most to bring about this confederation, because they have the most to gain. But how can you get peace if Germany exists? The only way to win an eternal peace is to make the punishment of waging war more horrible than war itself. Human beings are penalized for murder, aren't they? Well, Germany starts all the wars of magnitude. Let us sterilize all Germans and wars of world domination will come to an end!

... the book received considerable attention ... the Time essay recognized that Kaufman's work was not satirical; it described the book as the "enshrinement of a single sensational idea". "Since Germans are the perennial disturbers of the world's peace, says the book, they must be dealt with like any homicidal criminals. But it is unnecessary to put the whole German nation to the sword. It is more humane to sterilize them."[5][6]

... Kaufman also promoted the book by mailing a miniature black cardboard coffin with a hinged lid to reviewers.[8] Inside the coffin was a card proclaiming, "Read GERMANY MUST PERISH! Tomorrow you will receive your copy."
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From: alankellJun-10 2:39 PM 
To: BerrySteph  (7 of 21) 
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You need not waste your time posting to me.

 

 
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From: BerryStephJun-10 2:45 PM 
To: Patrick Rock (PFR291) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (8 of 21) 
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If Republicans take control of the House of Representatives following the 2022 mid-terms, they can do this, and it is possible that they might choose that option, and put Little Donnie in the Speaker's seat.  If he got that power, he could make the Republican 100% his, simply by his control over the agenda.

Wow.

If they get control of the Senate as well, they could change the laws governing our elections and elect him President for Life. Yes, it is not the most likely scenario, but it is definitely possible, and we should be scared.

Wow.

Hitler had a more difficult path to take over Germany than the one that would face Trump right then. 

True - but your grasp of what happened in Germany is pretty woeful.

This graph comes from a very interest interesting article which does not appear to be any kind of Nazi progaganda - https://voxeu.org/sites/default/files/image/FromMay2014/voth15marchfig1.jpg

Polarised politics in the wake of financial crises echo throughout modern history, but evidence of a causal link between economic downturns and populism is limited. [Graph] shows that financial crisis-induced misery boosted far right-wing voting in interwar Germany.

In towns and cities where many firms were exposed to failing banks, Nazi votes surged. In particular, places exposed to the one bank led by a Jewish chairman registered particularly strong increases of support – scapegoating Jews was easier with seemingly damning evidence of their negative influence.

Just think about it - if Americans were facing this kind of catastrophic depression and starvation and blacks were seen to be linked to it there would have been 50 Tulsa massacres!

In fact, there probably were 50 Tulsa massacres in the Red Summer of 1921. Kristalnacht a walk in the park in comparison.

 

 
From: BerryStephJun-10 2:49 PM 
To: alankell  (9 of 21) 
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You need not waste your time posting to me.

My apologies.

You're hardly likely to engage with an argument that Americans are much more intolerant towards - and murderous of - religious or other minorities than Germans have ever been.

After all, you couldn't even spell Adolf.

 

 
From: Patrick Rock (PFR291) DelphiPlus Member IconJun-10 8:22 PM 
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Since he's on permanent "Ignore", someone else may wish to inform BS that I don't speak troll, and that I don't read anything from an identified troll.

 

 

EDIT:  And my, it's been busy trolling today.  I saw a count of eight messages on this forum, and all of them were from BS.  And probably all of them WERE BS.

  • Edited June 10, 2021 8:24 pm  by  Patrick Rock (PFR291)
 

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